《灵长类视觉》封面

灵长类视觉

Primate visions

Donna J. Haraway · 初版 1992 年

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  • 我之前没见过费曼的那句名言,但我在读唐娜·哈拉维的书(《类人猿、半机械人和女人》《见证_谦逊@第二_千年》《Primate Visions》)时深有体会。当时的批评是:“““哈拉维的作品被批评为‘方法论上模糊不清’[39],并且使用了明显晦涩难懂的语言,‘有时显然是在故意掩盖什么’”””

    I hadn't seen that Feynman quote before, but I discovered then when reading Donna Harraway's books (Cyborg Manifesto, Modest_Witness@Second_Millennium.FemaleMan©Meets_OncoMouse, Primate Visions). The criticism was """Haraway's work has been criticized for being "methodologically vague"[39] and using noticeably opaque language that is "sometimes concealing in an apparently deliberate way""""

  • ……再生产劳动,为女性在劳动力市场上获得完全平等设置了障碍。依我看,这绝对不是毫无意义的空话!而且替她说句公道话,链接里的批评全都是针对同一本书——《Primate Visions》。如果你真点开链接看,第一个根本算不上批评,除非是从康德哲学(非贬义)的意义上去理解。第二个是一位被冒犯的灵长类动物学家写的,看起来……好吧,我猜……

    …reproduction labor, providing a barrier for women to reach full equality in the labor market. Which IMO is far from meaning-free! Also in her defense, literally all of the linked criticisms are about one book, Primate Visions. The first one isn't a criticism at all if you actually click the link, other than in the Kantian (non-pejorative) sense. The second one is by a primatologist who's offended and seems... well, I guess…

  • ……‘社会性完全被理论化为信息的交换。接收器、符号的意义必须从通道、容量、误码率、频率等角度去理解。’哈拉维《Primate Visions》。我真不明白技术人员和程序员怎么会对这些后果如此天真:把原本人际间任意的信号通过电子方式外化,随后局面显然彻底失控……

    …the social is theorized strictly in terms of the exchange of information. Receivers, senses of signs need to be known in terms of channels, capacities, error rates, frequencies and so forth." Haraway Primate Visions. I don't understand how technologists and coders can be this naive to the ramifications of electronically externalizing signals which start as arbitrary in person, and then clearly spiral out of control…

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