Have you checked out Chet Haase & Romain Guy's Filthy Rich Clients in Java? Pretty slick in my opinion as far as Java UIs go. (See http://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=155276) It is worth noting that Chet has since moved to work for Adobe, and Romain now works at Google…
> Java：UI 丑得要命。Java GUI 完全可以做得挺好看的，只是很多开发者从不花时间去调默认设置以外的东西。远的不说，当年 Chet Haase 和 Romain Guy 的 Filthy Rich Clients 博客里全是怎样在 Java 中实现出色 UI 的例子。但大多数朝九晚五打卡上班的人根本不看这些资料。
> Java: UI looks terrible Java GUIs can be made to look quite nice, just many developers never spend the time to go beyond the default settings. If anything, the old Filthy Rich Clients blog from Chet Haase , Romain Guy was full of examples how to achieve great UIs in Java. However most 9to5ers don't read such sources of information.
没错，这就是没用对。虽然有些问题确实是 Swing 和宿主 GUI 的互操作 bug，但其他问题纯粹是因为没读过经典名著（比如 Chet Haase 和 Romain Guy 写的《Filthy Rich Clients》）导致的技术欠缺，这两人可是主导了 Android 大部分渲染栈的大神。Romain Guy 的团队最近刚发布了 Filament，https://github.com/google/filament 回到 Sun 的那个年代，Romain……
Yes it is using it wrong, because while some issues are indeed Swing interop bugs with the host GUI, others are lack of skills by not reading canonical books like "Filthy Rich Clients", written by Chet Haase and Romain Guy, the guys that drove most of Android rendering stack. Romain Guy's team recently released Filament, https://github.com/google/filament Back in the Sun days, Romain…
No they aren't, provided that the developers actually bother to read books like "Filthy Rich Clients". https://www.amazon.com/Filthy-Rich-Clients-Developing-Applic...
> Swing gets the job done, nothing more. Which is what matters when delivering business value to fulfil customer's needs, not to be something cool to write blog posts on HN. Also a few days reading "Filthy Rich Clients" would make wonders to some Swing developers that actually care about UI/UX.
你看过 Chet Haase 和 Romain Guy 写的 Java 版《Filthy Rich Clients》吗？就 Java UI 来说，我觉得做得相当流畅出彩。（见 http://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=155276）值得一提的是，Chet 后来去了 Adobe 工作，而 Romain 现在在 Google……
Have you checked out Chet Haase & Romain Guy's Filthy Rich Clients in Java? Pretty slick in my opinion as far as Java UIs go. (See http://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=155276) It is worth noting that Chet has since moved to work for Adobe, and Romain now works at Google…
> Java：UI 丑得要命。Java GUI 完全可以做得挺好看的，只是很多开发者从不花时间去调默认设置以外的东西。远的不说，当年 Chet Haase 和 Romain Guy 的 Filthy Rich Clients 博客里全是怎样在 Java 中实现出色 UI 的例子。但大多数朝九晚五打卡上班的人根本不看这些资料。
> Java: UI looks terrible Java GUIs can be made to look quite nice, just many developers never spend the time to go beyond the default settings. If anything, the old Filthy Rich Clients blog from Chet Haase , Romain Guy was full of examples how to achieve great UIs in Java. However most 9to5ers don't read such sources of information.
没错，这就是没用对。虽然有些问题确实是 Swing 和宿主 GUI 的互操作 bug，但其他问题纯粹是因为没读过经典名著（比如 Chet Haase 和 Romain Guy 写的《Filthy Rich Clients》）导致的技术欠缺，这两人可是主导了 Android 大部分渲染栈的大神。Romain Guy 的团队最近刚发布了 Filament，https://github.com/google/filament 回到 Sun 的那个年代，Romain……
Yes it is using it wrong, because while some issues are indeed Swing interop bugs with the host GUI, others are lack of skills by not reading canonical books like "Filthy Rich Clients", written by Chet Haase and Romain Guy, the guys that drove most of Android rendering stack. Romain Guy's team recently released Filament, https://github.com/google/filament Back in the Sun days, Romain…
不，它们才不是那样，前提是开发者真愿意花心思去读读像《Filthy Rich Clients》这样的书。https://www.amazon.com/Filthy-Rich-Clients-Developing-Applic...
No they aren't, provided that the developers actually bother to read books like "Filthy Rich Clients". https://www.amazon.com/Filthy-Rich-Clients-Developing-Applic...
> Swing 能把活儿干完，仅此而已。但在交付业务价值、满足客户需求时，管用的就是这个，而不是为了在 HN 上写博客吹牛逼搞得很酷。而且，如果花几天读读《Filthy Rich Clients》，对那些真正关心 UI/UX 的 Swing 开发者来说，绝对会产生奇效。
> Swing gets the job done, nothing more. Which is what matters when delivering business value to fulfil customer's needs, not to be something cool to write blog posts on HN. Also a few days reading "Filthy Rich Clients" would make wonders to some Swing developers that actually care about UI/UX.
因为大多数开发者根本懒得去读 Sun 的教程和像《Filthy Rich Clients》这样的书。
Because most developers don't bother to read Sun tutorials and books like "Filthy Rich Clients".