《海湾战争不曾发生》封面

海湾战争不曾发生

The Gulf War did not take place

Jean Baudrillard · 初版 1995 年

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  • ……战争的真实面貌,仅仅因为它给你看了些斩首镜头。窥阴癖和血腥场面并不等同于对那种恐怖暴力之地的真实洞察。鲍德里亚的《海湾战争不曾发生》(The Gulf War Did Not Take Place)很值得一读,讲的是媒体表征以及程式化、选择性的镜头是如何被用来歪曲事实的。你了解到的并不是战争的“现实”,而是它的“超现实”(hyper-reality)。如果你真去实地看看现实……

    …the reality of war because it shows you some beheading. Voyeurism and gore are not the same as genuine insight into what scary and violent places are actually like. It's worth reading Baudrillard's 'The Gulf War Did Not Take Place' on how media representation, and stylized, selective footage is used to distort. You didn't get to know the 'reality' of war, but the hyper-reality of it. If you were to actually go see the reality…

  • > 你看到的所有照片或视频,都是为了让你看到才被放在那里的。给读到上面这段、对这种现象感到好奇的人:去读读鲍德里亚的《海湾战争不曾发生》。就算你不同意鲍德里亚的核心论点,他举出的事实依然很有说服力(比如用埃克森·瓦尔迪兹号漏油事故的照片代替伊拉克军队的实际照片……

    > All photographs or videos you have seen have been placed there for you to see them. For those reading the above, wondering about this phenomenon, read Baudrilliard's The Gulf War Did Not Take Place. Even if you don't agree with Baudrilliard's overall thesis, the facts he brings up are still cogent (e.g. a photo from the Exon Valdez spill was used instead of an actual photo of the Iraqi military's…

  • 另外去 Google 搜“Did the Gulf War take place”,出来的也都是关于鲍德里亚《海湾战争不曾发生》的链接。

    Also Googling "Did the Gulf War take place" brings up links about Baudrillard's The Gulf War Did Not Take Place.

  • 这种现象至少可以追溯到鲍德里亚的著作《海湾战争不曾发生》(The Gulf War Did Not Take Place)那个时代了 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Gulf_War_Did_Not_Take_Plac...

    The phenomenon is at least as old as Baudrillard's work The Gulf War Did Not Take Place https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Gulf_War_Did_Not_Take_Plac...

  • ……很容易迷失,一切总在不断消失,而你永远也搞不清是怎么回事或为什么。真实世界就像一场意大利面刮起的龙卷风。而那个虚假的世界(就像鲍德里亚在《海湾战争不曾发生》里描述的那样)感觉要真实得多、熟悉得多,因为它不需要应付现实的古怪与矛盾,而是可以安全地把弄现实的各种符号。就像……之间的区别一样

    …easy to get lost and everything disappears all the time, and you'll never be able to know how or why. The real world is like a tornado made of spaghetti. And the fake world (like in Baudrillard's The Gulf War Did Not Take Place kind of way) feels so much realer and more familiar because it doesn't need to deal with the eccentricities and contradictions of reality, but can safely play with its symbols. Like the difference between…

  • > 我觉得作者是借着思考零假设的初衷才想出《希格斯发现不曾发生》这个标题的,这大概是在致敬让·鲍德里亚的《海湾战争不曾发生》(The Gulf War Did Not Take Place),那本书对海湾战争的批判视角和 TFA 对希格斯粒子发现的看法很类似。

    > I think the author is using the original motivation of musing on null hypotheses to derive the title "The Higgs Discovery Did Not Take Place", It's probably a reference to "The Gulf War Did Not Take Place" by Jean Baudrillard, which took a similar critical view of the Gulf War as TFA takes of the Higgs discovery.

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