菲利普二世时代的地中海和地中海世界

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• paganel · 2017 年

  ……现在我们在昂贵商品这块开始追赶西方了，这时候扯什么国际贸易纯粹是虚伪（有些人会称之为经济殖民主义）。另外，也可以看看费尔南·布罗代尔的书，特别是他的《菲利普二世时代的地中海和地中海世界》（https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fernand_Braudel#La_Méditerrané...）

  …international trade now that we've started to approach the West in terms of expensive stuff is pure hypocrisy (some would call it economic colonialism). Also, see Fernand Braudel's books, especially his "The Mediterranean and the Mediterranean World in the Age of Philip II" (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fernand_Braudel#La_Méditerrané...)

• ajtulloch · 2020 年

  对这个感兴趣的朋友，费尔南·布罗代尔的代表作《菲利普二世时代的地中海和地中海世界》是一部不可思议的史学巨著，专门研究地中海及其周边的社会形态。

  For folks interested in this, Fernand Braudel's magnum opus "The Mediterranean and the Mediterranean World in the Age of Philip II" is an incredible work of history, studying the Mediterranean and the societies around it.

• Aym_C · 2014 年

  ……卢梭、陀思妥耶夫斯基、普鲁斯特、塞利纳。顺便插一句：如果你喜欢带有经济学视角的宏大历史著作，我强烈建议读读费尔南·布罗代尔的作品。他写了三部极其精彩的三部曲：- 《地中海与菲利普二世时代的地中海世界》（他的博士论文）- 《15至18世纪的物质文明、经济和资本主义》（我读过最好的历史书）- 《法兰西的特性》

  …Rousseau, Dostoievsky, Proust, Céline. Aparté : If you like ambitious history with economic insights, I would strongly suggest to read Fernand Braudel works. He wrote three fantastic triptychs : - The Mediterranean: And the Mediterranean World in the Age of Philip II (his thesis) - Civilization and Capitalism, 15th-18th Century (the best history books I've ever read) - The Identity of France

• paganel · 2016 年

  ……在资本主义经济中发生的事情：债券持有人拿不回钱。也许我当时过度解读了，但在读完一本关于16世纪地中海各国的历史书（布罗代尔的《菲利普二世时代的地中海和地中海世界》）后，我也有同样的感觉，更准确地说，当时的银行家们（主要是热那亚人和富格尔家族）遭遇了极大的不公，因为他们借钱给西班牙国王，却没能把钱收回来，而他们曾向国王……

  …happen in a capitalist economy: bondholders not getting paid. Maybe I over-read it at the time, but I got the same feeling after reading a history of the 1500s Mediterranean countries (Braudel's "The Mediterranean and the Mediterranean World in the Age of Philip II"), more exactly that the a very great injustice had been made to the bankers of the time (mostly the Genoese and Fugger family) for not getting their money back from the King of Spain, to which they had…

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