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Le Ton beau de Marot
Douglas R. Hofstadter · 初版 1997 年
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为什么值得读
- 深入剖析机器翻译与文学诗歌翻译
- 展现媒介与规则限制下迸发的独特创造力
- 虽充满主观见解但叙述生动绝不枯燥
Le Ton beau de Marot不仅是一首诗的译本合集，更是一篇自传体散文、一封写给法语的情书、一系列关于生命、失去与死亡的沉思，以及一束动人心弦的优美诗卷——但最重要的是，它赞颂了因对文字韵律的热爱而迸发的无限创造力。书中穿插了数十个文学主题与创作，包括普希金的Eugene Onegin、但丁的Inferno、塞林格的Catcher in the Rye、维庸的叙事抒情诗、纳博科夫的散文、Georges Perec的La disparition、Vikram Seth的Golden Gate、贺拉斯的颂歌等。书中充盈着
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…在自然主义世界观下的精神体验。当今很多公开展露的无神论，都缺少对宗教体验的共情。- 马丁·加德纳的文章 - 道格拉斯·侯世达 - 《哥德尔、艾舍尔、巴赫》（GEB）和《Le Ton Beau De Marot》——对于那些成天沉迷于思考逻辑与语言的人（程序员们，说的就是你们）来说，这两本书简直是浪漫通俗爽文——你知道自己不该读它们，它们实在太脱离实际、派不上用场了，……
…spiritual experience within a naturalistic world view. A lot of atheism that is public today misses empathy with religious experience. -Martin Gardner's articles -Douglas Hofstadter - Godel, Escher, Bach & Le Ton Beau De Marot - for those that enjoy spending all day thinking about logic & languages (hello programmers) these two books are romantic pulp - you know you shouldn't be reading them, they are so hopelessly impractical,…
Systran 系统相当老旧了，看看侯世达多年前在《Le Ton beau de Marot》（http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Le_Ton_beau_de_Marot）里是怎么把它批得体无完肤的（顺便说一句，那是一本关于机器翻译乃至整个文学领域的绝赞好书）。看了这些，我觉得：(i) Google 完全把竞争对手吊打得……
The Systran system is quite old, check out how Hofstadter thrashed it some years ago in his "Le Ton beau de Marot"(http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Le_Ton_beau_de_Marot) (awesome book on machine translation and literature in general, BTW). Looking at these I thought that (i) Google totally blows the competition out of…
……核心就在这里：媒介所带来的强约束，即必须能编译通过的代码，反而会催生出前所未有的创造力。侯世达在他那本大作《Le Ton Beau De Marot》里深入探讨了这个话题，比如当时他在找一个能和“orange”押韵的词。另一个好例子是乔治·佩雷克的截字诗（lipogram）小说《La Disparition》，全书竟然没有出现一个字母 e……
…that's the point: the large degree of constraint created by the medium, i.e. code that will compile, will lead to hitherto unexplored creativity. Hofstadter elaborates on this topic in his great book Le Ton Beau De Marot, e.g. whiel looking for a word that would rhyme with "orange". Another good example is the Georges Perec's lipogram (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lipogram) novel Da Disparition in which the letter -e…
太棒了！即使行文偶有繁复且主观色彩浓厚，侯世达的文字也从来不无聊。《Le Ton Beau de Marot》在我看来是关于翻译最好的书之一。关于 Emmanuel Sander 的（英文）资料不太多（除了他的个人主页：http://paragraphe.crac.free.fr/articles.php?lng=en&pg=79，Google……
Great news! Even when it's overwrought and opinionated, Hofstadter's writing is never boring, Le Ton Beau de Marot is, I think, one of the best books on translation. There isn't too much (English) information on Emmanuel Sander (other than his homepage: http://paragraphe.crac.free.fr/articles.php?lng=en&pg=79, Google…
关于诗歌翻译（以及更多相关领域），有这么一本书：http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Le_Ton_beau_de_Marot 是道格拉斯·侯世达写的，我相当喜欢也很推荐！
Regarding poetry translation (and a lot more), there is this book: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Le_Ton_beau_de_Marot By Douglas Hofstadter, that I quite like and recommend!
道格拉斯·侯世达的《哥德尔、艾舍尔、巴赫——集异璧之大成》。堪称文学与技术的双重天才之作。同样出自侯世达之手的《Le Ton beau de Marot》也是如此。书中他描述了一个排版设计：把每一章开头的第一个词，从大字号逐字递减缩小到正常正文字号，这构思简直让我惊呆了，……
Gödel, Escher, Bach - An Eternal Golden Braid, by Douglas Hofstadter. Both a work of literary and technical genius. Le ton beau de Marot, also by Douglas Hofstadter. Was blown by his description of how making the typographical choice of starting the first word of each chapter with letters decreasing in height to the normal page font size,…