《论义务》封面

论义务

De officiis

Cicero · 初版 1465 年

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  • 今年我读了:爱比克泰德的《手册》弗里德里希·哈耶克的《通往奴役之路》西塞罗的《论义务》西塞罗的《论占卜》第欧根尼·拉尔修的《名哲言行录》安萨里的《拯救迷途者》荷马的《伊利亚特》荷马的《奥德赛》罗伯特·西奥迪尼的《影响力》贾雷德的《枪炮、病菌与钢铁》……

    This year I've read: Maxims - Epictetus The road to serfdom - Friedrich Hayek De officiis - Cicero De divinatione - Cicero Lives of eminent philosophers - Diogenes Laertius Confessions - Al ghazali Illiad - Homer Odyssey - Homer Influence - Robert Cialdini Guns, Germs and steel - Jared…

  • ……人们认为,一件事可能在道德上是正当的却不合宜,或在道德上不正当却是合宜的。没有比这种观点给人类生活带来更致命的毒害了。”——M. 图利乌斯·西塞罗,《论义务》,第二卷。

    …accepted that a thing may be morally right without being expedient, and expedient without being morally right. No more pernicious doctrine than this could be introduced into human life." -M. Tullius Cicero. De Officiis. Book II.

  • ……属于目前公认的奴隶制定义的一部分。https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wage_slavery “早在古罗马时期的西塞罗(如在《论义务》中)就指出了雇佣劳动与奴隶制之间的相似性。”如果你必须出卖劳动力换取工资才能吃饱住下,以至于完全依附于雇主,这在实际作用上跟奴隶制有什么区别?无薪实习也越来越……

    …part of the currently accepted definition of slavery. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wage_slavery "Similarities between wage labour and slavery were noted as early as Cicero in Ancient Rome, such as in De Officiis." If you need the wage from your labour to feed and house yourself, such that you are completely dependent on your employer, how is that functionally different to slavery? Unpaid internships are increasingly…

  • ……最好也读一下,至少把《忏悔录》读了。不了解天主教会就无法真正理解西方思想,而单凭圣经是无法理解教会的。或许还可以读读西塞罗,比如至少把《论义务》读了(不过我觉得《论神性》读起来更有趣)。西塞罗算是个二流哲学家,极其自命不凡,但他确实在极长的时间里拥有巨大的影响力。

    …as well, at least Confessions. You can't properly understand western thought without understanding the catholic church, and you can't understand the church from the bible alone. Maybe Cicero too, like De Officiis at least (although De Natura Deorum is a more enjoyable read imo). Cicero was a second rate philosopher and incredibly full of himself, but he was extremely influential for a very long time.

  • ……从小交给半人马喀戎抚养,由他在严厉的规训下教导长大;这无非是指,既然他们有一位半兽半人的老师……难道指的是西塞罗的《论义务》(公元前44年)?http://www.perseus.tufts.edu/hopper/text?doc=Perseus%3Atext%... > ……解决纷争有两种方式:一是通过讲理;二是通过武力;既然前者是人类特有的……

    …old were given to the Centaur Chiron to nurse, who brought them up in his discipline; which means solely that, as they had for a teacher one who was half beast and half man... been referring to Cicero, De Officiis (44 BC)? http://www.perseus.tufts.edu/hopper/text?doc=Perseus%3Atext%... > ...there are two ways of settling a dispute: first, by discussion; second, by physical force; and since the former is characteristic…

  • ……文艺复兴之前的大部分历史时期,绝大多数学者做的无非就是抄“书”,不管这所谓的“书”具体是哪一本(欧几里得、《圣经》、亚里士多德的《旧逻辑》、西塞罗的演讲集与《论义务》、《四书五经》、《史记》、《文选》)。那种认为普通人都应该拥有自己的原创思想、且这些思想理应受到他人重视的自由主义观念,从历史角度来看是非常新颖的概念。于是我们才开始看到那些看起来有点像……

    …Most of history until the Renaissances consisted of the bulk of scholars copying out of "the book" whatever the book happened to be (Euclid, The Bible, Aristotle’s Logica Vetus, Cicero's Orations and De Officiis, 四書五經, 史記, 文選) The liberal concept that the everyman should have their own original thoughts that others should consider is a historically a very new concept. And we start getting things that look a…

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