为了我们这些活着的人
For us, the living
Robert A. Heinlein、Robert Hein lein · 初版 2004 年
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为什么值得读
- 详尽推演后稀缺社会的经济运行机制与基本收入
- 严格划分公私领域并将侵犯隐私视为严重禁忌
- 早在三十年代便初步构建出作者成熟的社会观念
科幻小说——这部最初创作于1938至1939年间却从未出版的作品，是RAH的第一部小说，虽显生涩，却充满了贯穿他整个创作生涯的主题。海军飞行员Perry Nelson在1938年的一场车祸中丧生；他在2086年醒来，并在全书中不断对比1938年的现实与2086年半乌托邦式的世界。
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……虽然我没读过传统的“删节”版，但我和两个版本都读过的人聊过，我彻底被未删节版折服了。顺便说一句，如果你喜欢海因莱因，我也推荐读读《为了我们这些活着的人》（For Us, The Living: A Comedy of Customs）。这是海因莱因的第一本书，但一直没有出版（当然，直到最近才出）。它虽然还不够圆熟，但能看到他在1930年代就已经构想出了……这非常有趣。
…Though I've never read the traditional "cut" version, I've talked with people who have read both and I'm sold on the unabridged version. As an aside, if you enjoy Heinlein, then I also recommend reading "For Us, The Living: A Comedy of Customs." It was Heinlein's first book, but was never published (until recently, of course). It's not polished, but it is very interesting to see how he had already formed in the 1930s a…
这让我想起了罗伯特·海因莱因的《为了我们这些活着的人》（For Us, The Living）。他在书里探讨了一个非常相似的社会，并解释了这种社会在经济层面上可能如何运转：http://www.amazon.com/For-Us-The-Living-Customs/dp/074349154...
This reminds me of "For Us, The Living", by Robert Heinlein. Where he discusses a very similar society and explains the economics of how it might work: http://www.amazon.com/For-Us-The-Living-Customs/dp/074349154...
我喜欢海因莱因在《为了我们这些活着的人》（For Us, The Living）里的设定，他划分了公共领域和私人领域，并指出任何在私人领域发生的事实际上都被视作打探的重度禁忌，甚至可能招致刑事惩罚。政客们……
I like Heinlein's use of this in "For Us, The Living", he breaks out the Public and Private spheres and addresses how anything done in the private sphere is effectively heavily tabooed to inquire about, and could even become a criminal penalty. Politicians…
读读海因莱因的《为了我们这些活着的人》（For Us The Living）吧。机器人制造所有生活必需品，每个人都有最低基本收入。人们工作只是为了赚额外收入去买好东西。那是一个全社会范围的后稀缺社会——没人会因为渴望基本的生活……
Read Heinlein's For Us The Living. Robots make all essential goods, and everyone has a minimum basic income. People only work to get extra income for nice things. That is a societal wide post scarcity society- no one who desires a basic…
《为了我们这些活着的人》（For Us the Living）也是他另一本很有意思的书。有点像是反向的《阿特拉斯耸耸肩》。
'For us the living' is also another interesting book by him. Sorta the anti-Atlas Shrugged.
……每周工作4小时。如果你想多干当然也行，但拿到手的工资一样。剩下的时间你想干嘛就干嘛，陪家人、搞艺术等等都可以。另外，在罗伯特·A·海因莱因的《为了我们这些活着的人》（For Us, The Living: A Comedy of Customs）里，有一些关于美国社会经济学非常有趣的设想，包括一套社会信用体系。我认为这是一个相当老派的想法，……
…4 hours a week. You can work more of course if you want but you get the same paycheck. The rest of that time you can do whatever you want, spend time with your family or do art or whatever. Also, in For Us, The Living: A Comedy of Customs by Robert A. Heinlein there are some very interesting ideas about American social economics, including a social credit system. Which I believe is a pretty old fashioned idea that…