衰落与瓦解

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• mturmon · 2011 年

  ……去选边站队。如有必要，就自己划清界线。正是 Hitchens 的文章带我走进了 Evelyn Waugh 早期那些冷面幽默的作品（最著名的是《独家新闻》，还有《Decline and Fall》以及“荣誉之剑”三部曲）。Hitchens 最棒的一些文章其实是文学鉴赏，而不是那些论战文章。

  …to choose sides. Draw the line between the sides yourself if necessary. It's Hitchens' writings that introduced me to the early, dry, humorous works of Evelyn Waugh (best known is "Scoop", but also Decline and Fall, and the Sword of Honour trilogy). Some of Hitchens' best writing was literary appreciation, not polemics.

• chipsy · 2015 年

  因为现代史学已经向前发展了，并反驳了吉本（Gibbon）的许多论点。所以《罗马帝国衰亡史》（Decline and Fall）读起来不错，但它本身也已经老到成了历史的一部分。

  Because contemporary historiography has moved on and refutes many of Gibbon's propositions. So Decline and Fall is a good read, but also old enough to be a part of history itself.

• TheOtherHobbes · 2019 年

  我们不能确定他被动了。我们看到的只是一篇包含某些离奇事件的新闻报道，强烈暗示他被搞了。英国作家 Evelyn Waugh 写过一部战间期的小说叫《苍凉的堕落》（Decline and Fall）。主角卷入了各种难以启齿的罪行，比起骨子里的犯罪倾向，更多是因为天真幼稚，最后他从监狱里“被消失”，并被赋予了一个新身份。Waugh 当时是个……

  We don't know that he got touched. We have a press story with some unlikely events that strongly suggests he got touched. There's a between-the-wars novel by English author Evelyn Waugh called Decline and Fall. The main character gets involved in all kinds of unspeakable crimes, more out of naivety than inherent criminality, and at the end is "disappeared" out of jail and given a new identity. Waugh was an…

• evelynwaugh · 2016 年

  ……“没创作出任何平面艺术或造型艺术，没有建筑，没有戏剧。他们就只会唱歌，”他厌恶地说道，“就会唱歌，还有吹那些镀银的管乐器……”——Fagan 博士，小学校长，出自 Evelyn Waugh（1903-1966）的《苍凉的堕落》（Decline and Fall，1928）

  …produced no graphic or plastic art, no architecture, no drama. They just sing," he said with disgust, "sing and blow down wind instruments of plated silver...." --Dr. Fagan, a schoolmaster in Decline and Fall (1928), by Evelyn Waugh (1903-1966)

• motohagiography · 2022 年

  ……凭借他的《阿申登》（Ashenden）系列故事的小说。海明威本是个短篇小说家，不知怎的却因《永别了，武器》受到热捧而被大家记住。如果你读过 Evelyn Waugh 的《独家新闻》（Scoop）、《苍凉的堕落》（Decline and Fall）或《黑色恶作剧》（Black Mischief），就会发现他毒舌得要命，但《重访布赖兹黑德》（Brideshead Revisited）却获得了评论界的一致好评，还被改编成了一部煽情的迷你剧。就好像评论家偏偏挑出你最平庸、最经不起推敲的作品，然后贴在你身上当标签……

  …novel with his Ashenden stories. Hemmingway was a short story writer, but somehow he is remembered for the fawning reception of Farewell to Arms. Evelyn Waugh was savagely funny if you have read Scoop, Decline and Fall or Black Mischief, but Brideshead Revisited was the critical success that got made into a sappy miniseries. It's like critics take your least spectacular and most vulnerable work and tag you with it…

• skore · 2019 年

  ……极力反对一个真正的人居然可能会试图在他设计的房子里生活（甚至拉屎、做爱），Eisenman 让人想起了 Evelyn Waugh 小说《苍凉的堕落》（Decline and Fall）里那个自命不凡的德国建筑师，此人因为要在楼层之间装楼梯而恼怒不已：“为什么这些生物就不能呆在一个地方？建筑的问题就是所有艺术的问题：消灭人……

  …opposition to the very idea that a real human being might actually attempt to live (and crap, and have sex) in one of his houses, Eisenman recalls the self-important German architect from Evelyn Waugh’s novel Decline and Fall, who becomes exasperated the need to include a staircase between floors: “Why can’t the creatures stay in one place? The problem of architecture is the problem of all art: the elimination of the human…

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