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系统乖僻法则

Systemantics

John Gall · 初版 1977 年

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为什么值得读

  • 阐明系统往往无法实现宣称功能的运行谬误
  • 写作风格奇特但充满对复杂系统运作的深刻智慧
  • 语言风格幽默辛辣且极具启发性的地下经典之作

Hacker News 上怎么说

  • John Gall 写的《Systemantics: How Systems Work & Especially How They Fail》。https://www.amazon.co.uk/Systemantics-Systems-Work-Especiall... 写作风格有点不同寻常,但里面蕴含着大量的智慧…

    Systemantics: How Systems Work & Especially How They Fail by John Gall. https://www.amazon.co.uk/Systemantics-Systems-Work-Especiall... The writing style is kind of unusual, but there is a lot of wisdom to be found…

  • …直接无视掉,因为前面 99% 的时间里它都管用。人们已经习惯了盲目信任结果,以至于连质疑一下的念头都不会冒出来。不过这倒让我想起了《Systemantics》这本书:https://www.amazon.com/Systemantics-Systems-Work-Especially-... 书里的核心论点之一就是:系统本身实际上并没有做它声称正在做的事(操作性谬误,The Operational Fallacy)。这…

    …dismiss it because it worked in the previous 99% of the time. People have trained themselves to trust the results so questioning it does not even enter their minds. It does remind me though of the book Systemantics: https://www.amazon.com/Systemantics-Systems-Work-Especially-... One of the core thesis in the book is : The system itself does not actually do what it says it is doing (The Operational Fallacy). This…

  • 我读 John Gall 的《Systemantics》读到一半了,非常喜欢。接下来我可以读点啥呢?我觉得自己对系统论在现实世界中的应用更感兴趣(比如我们该如何着手去修复一个极其复杂的…

    I'm halfway through John Gall's Systemantics and have been really enjoying it. What might I move on to next? I think I'm more interested in the real-world applications of systems theory (e.g. how we might go about fixing a massively complicated…

  • …那一点。“P 文学”(P Literature)——帕金森定律(Parkinson's Law)、彼得原理(Peter Principle)、普特定律(Putt's Law)以及 Stephen Potter 的《Gamesmanship》似乎构成了核心的一部分。我还会把杰文斯悖论(Jevons paradox)、格雷欣法则(Gresham's Law)以及 John Gall 的《Systemantics》也加进去 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Putt%27s_Law_and_the_Successfu... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Systemantics 支离破碎的模型和思维框架——即理论与意识形态——在其中起到了巨大的推波助澜作用。我一直重点关注…

    …that. The "P Literature" -- Parkinson's Law, the Peter Principle, Putt's Law, and Stephen Potter's Gamesmanship seem to form part of a core. I'd add the Jevons paradox, Gresham's Law, and John Gall's Systemantics as well https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Putt%27s_Law_and_the_Successfu... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Systemantics Broken models and frames -- theory and ideology -- contribute hugely. I've been focusing…

  • 是的,我读到这个的第一反应是,任何关于这个主题的讨论,如果不仔细读一读 Gall 的《Systemantics》(https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Systemantics),都是不完整的。

    Yep, my first thought upon reading this was that no discussion of this subject is complete without a perusal of Gall's Systemantics (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Systemantics).

  • 我脑子里刚冒出来一个念头:你知道 John Gall 写的《Systemantics》(也叫《The Systems Bible》)这本书吗?它不是讲教育的,但和我们正在讨论的领域高度契合。这是一本神作级别的地下经典(而且超级搞笑)。我想你会喜欢的。…

    Just popped into my mind: do you know the book "Systemantics" (also known as "The Systems Bible") by John Gall? It's not on education but is very much in the space we're discussing. It's a brilliant (and hilarious) underground classic. I think you would like it.…

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