计算机力量与人类理性

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• jbarham · 2017 年

  我真希望那段关于“免费的机器驱动心理医生”只是讽刺，但考虑到 YC 那种毫不自知的技术乌托邦狂热，我担心他们是认真的。去读读 Joseph Weizenbaum 的《计算机力量与人类理性》（Computer Power and Human Reason，40多年前出版的！）吧，它应该能提醒大家：试图去造一个“机器驱动的心理医生”，哪怕技术上能做到，也不是一件应该……

  I really hope the bit about "free machine-powered psychologists" is satire, but given YC's unironic techno utopianism fear that it is not. Reading "Computer Power and Human Reason" by Joseph Weizenbaum (published over 40 years ago!) should remind people that attempting to build a "machine-powered psychologist", even if it's something that can be done, is not something that should…

• holri · 2012 年

  大概算是一个反面观点，同样很值得一读：Joseph Weizenbaum 的《计算机力量与人类理性》（Computer Power and Human Reason）：http://www.goodreads.com/book/show/986428.Computer_Power_and...

  Probably the antithesis, also worth reading: Joseph Weizenbaum, Computer Power and Human Reason: http://www.goodreads.com/book/show/986428.Computer_Power_and...

• miniatureape · 2010 年

  这些服务将会存在很多年，而且越来越多的机构会依赖它们。我们为医疗健康设计的计算机系统，将重塑整个医疗服务。把 Joseph Weizenbaum 的《计算机力量与人类理性》（Computer Power and Human Reason）加入到这些系统开发者的必读书单里吧。

  These services will be in place for years and more and more institutions will depend on them. The computer systems we design for health care will shape health care service. Add Joseph Weizenbaum's Computer Power and Human Reason to the list of books that the developers of these systems should be required to read.

• panic · 2017 年

  Joseph Weizenbaum 的书《计算机力量与人类理性：从判断到计算》（Computer Power and Human Reason: From Judgment To Calculation，https://www.amazon.com/Computer-Power-Human-Reason-Calculati...）很值得一读。Weizenbaum 在十年前（1966年）写出了 ELIZA——最早的“聊天机器人（chatbot）”，然后……

  Joseph Weizenbaum's book, Computer Power and Human Reason: From Judgment To Calculation (https://www.amazon.com/Computer-Power-Human-Reason-Calculati...) is worth a read. Weizenbaum had written ELIZA, the original "chatbot", a decade earlier (in 1966), and…

• PavlovsCat · 2019 年

  ……人类的危险，远不如人类变得像计算机那样的危险来得大。——康拉德·楚泽（Konrad Zuse）。另一位非常值得去读的人：https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joseph_Weizenbaum > 他于1976年出版的影响深远的著作《计算机力量与人类理性》（Computer Power and Human Reason），展现了他对计算机技术的矛盾心理，并阐述了他的论点：虽然人工智能或许是可行的，但我们绝不应该允许计算机做出重大决策，因为计算机……

  …humans is not as great as the danger of humans becoming like computers. -- Konrad Zuse Another man very much worth reading: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joseph_Weizenbaum > His influential 1976 book Computer Power and Human Reason displays his ambivalence towards computer technology and lays out his case: while Artificial Intelligence may be possible, we should never allow computers to make important decisions because computers…

• kangnkodos · 2020 年

  任何思考这个问题的人都应该读读 Joseph Weizenbaum 1976 年的书《计算机力量与人类理性》（Computer Power and Human Reason）。他在书中探讨了 AI 是否能成为一个好法官，得出的结论是不能。即便能把所有的事实、规则和启发式方法都喂给 AI 法官，但我们无法用程序写出来的那个要素……

  Anyone considering this question should read Joseph Weizenbaum's 1976 book, Computer Power and Human Reason. He considers if an AI could be a good judge, and decides that it would not. Even though all the facts, rules and heuristics could be fed into an AI judge, the element we would not be able to program…

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