女人
Women
Charles Bukowski · 初版 1978 年
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底层作家兼顽固酒鬼 Henry Chinaski 生来就是个幸存者。在低薪且毫无前途的工作中虚度数十年光阴、将积蓄挥霍在酒精与女人身上、并在跳蚤横生的破公寓里艰难度日之后，Chinaski 的诗意之星终于升起。如今五十岁的他正沉醉于突如其来的摇滚明星般的生活中，一年宿醉三百回，并保持着足以令 Casanova 瘫痪的放荡生活。这部作为 Post Office 与 Factotum 续篇的 1978 年作品，带着 Bukowski 标志性的幽默与粗粝深沉的坦率，对边缘生活做出了毫不妥协的记述。
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我没记错的话，如果你读过《Women》（女人），就会看到有一段布考斯基基本上把这篇解释清楚了。当年有太多想当作家的人跑来找他要建议，他干脆就劝他们直接放弃。要是他们没放弃，那他们才是真正的作家。……
IIRC, if you read Women, you'll see a passage where Bukowski essentially clarifies this piece. He'd get so many wannabe writers asking him for advice that he'd tell them to just give it up. If they didn't, they were real writers.…
……https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Laughable_Loves 尼采：https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/24702467-aphorisms-on-lo... 维勒贝克：https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Atomised 布考斯基：https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/38500.Women 昆德拉：https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Unbearable_Lightness_of_Be...
…https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Laughable_Loves Nietzsche: https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/24702467-aphorisms-on-lo... Houellebecq: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Atomised Bukowski: https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/38500.Women Kundera: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Unbearable_Lightness_of_Be...
这份书单很棒，不过要是能再多解释两句就更好了。你为什么特别推荐这几本呢？不管怎么说，这书单里我只读过《Women》。这本书感觉完全是以男性视角在看女人。布考斯基根本不知道她们为什么喜欢她们所喜欢的，也不知道自己到底哪点吸引她们。他根本不知道该怎么去深入交往……
I appreciate the reading list, but wouldn't mind more clarity. Why do you suggest these readings in particular? Anyhow, I've only read Women from the list. The book seemed to be a male perspective about women. Bukowski doesn't know why they prefer what they do, or why he would be attractive to them. He doesn't know how to get involved with…
我觉得这种看法太愤世嫉俗，而且也不对。查尔斯·布考斯基的《Women》根本就不是正常关系的代表。如果把定义放得足够宽泛，所有关系都可以算作“交易性的”。双方都可以把自己的情感理性化，掰扯出自己从中捞到了什么，……
I think that's cynical and incorrect. Charles Bukowski's Women is not an example of a normal relationship. By a vague enough definition, all relationships are "transactional." Both parties can intellectualize their feelings and point to what they get out of it,…
……当年在 G20 期间把那本书挂在个人资料上的同一拨人，过去经常因为我挂了《Post Office》（邮局）而对我大呼小叫，说布考斯基这人“有问题”——天哪大姐我知道啊，所以我也没挂《Women》或者《Factotum》（杂务工）好吗……然后当我怼回去说“你既然连拥枪的人都不愿意约会，凭什么说自己粉艾玛·高德曼？又不是去搞行动宣传……”的时候，他们就开始（通常是假装）哭天抢地……
…same folks who listed it on their profiles back during the G20 used to yell at me for listing "Post Office" because apparently Bukowski is problematic -- like, Jesus lady I know, that's why I didn't list Women or Factotum... then they'd cry me a (usually figurative) river when I'd shoot back why do you claim to stan Emma Goldman if you won't date someone who owns a firearm since it's not propaganda of the deed…
我想补充一句，查尔斯·布考斯基的《Women》也是。
Women, by Charles Bukowski, I should add