…环境。但目前还没人做到那一步。至于在 70 年代构想今天的计算世界，我当年在 70 年代就是个程序员，我们构想到的不仅是这些，而且远比这更多。去读读 Ted Nelson 的书《Dream Machines》你就能了解一二了。
…environment. But no one has gotten there yet. As far as envisioning today's world of computing in the 70s, I was a programmer in the 70s and we envisioned this and a lot more. Read Ted Nelson's book Dream Machines for an idea.
…见鬼。思考是要消耗能量——卡路里——的，所以作为进化出来的动物，只要能不动脑子蒙混过去，你就会这么干。“互联网就是用来搞黄色的”。）自从读了 Ted Nelson 的《Dream Machines》，我就一直清楚自己想做什么，而那已经是二十多年前的事了（那书出版得更早，我只是那时候才搞到手）。Engelbart 的“演示之母”还要更早。（我最近一直在摆弄一个非常简单的 UI demo…
…fuck. Thinking takes energy- calories -and so, as an evolved animal, if you can get by w/o it, you will. "The Internet is for porn.") I've known what I wanted to make ever since reading Ted Nelson's "Dream Machines" and that was twenty-odd years ago (it was published way earlier, that's just when I got ahold of it.) Engelbart's "Mother of All Demos" was even earlier. (I've been playing with a very simple UI demo…
…Nelson 而且我们是在 Hacker News 上，楼主发的评论也表明他们显然已经知道怎么上网了，那我再贴来源链接还有什么意义呢，Ted Nelson 的《Computer Lib》和《Dream Machines》，如果你连这个都没读过，那你还读过啥？
…Nelson and we are on hacker news, and the OP passed a comment that showed they obviously already know how to use the internet, what would be the point of me linking to sources, Ted Nelson, Computer Lib and Dream Machines, if you've not read it, what have you read?
致困惑的 HN 网友们：Xanadu 是 Ted Nelson 发起的一个项目。Ted Nelson 是早期计算领域的奠基级人物（尽管他自己并不是计算机科学家）。他的著作（推荐：《Dream Machines/Computer Lib》，1974 年；《Literary Machines》，1981 年；《Geeks Bearing Gifts》，2008 年）探讨的是计算机如何触动作为人类的我们，以及它们将如何影响我们的未来，尤其是在人机交互和沟通方面…
To the confused HNers: Xanadu is a project by Ted Nelson. Ted Nelson is a fundamental figure of early computing (despite not being a computer scientist himself). His work (recommended: Dream Machines/Computer Lib, 1974; Literary Machines, 1981; Geeks Bearing Gifts, 2008) is about how computers touch us as humans, and how they affect our future, especially when it comes to communicating and using them…
…环境。但目前还没人做到那一步。至于在 70 年代构想今天的计算世界，我当年在 70 年代就是个程序员，我们构想到的不仅是这些，而且远比这更多。去读读 Ted Nelson 的书《Dream Machines》你就能了解一二了。
…environment. But no one has gotten there yet. As far as envisioning today's world of computing in the 70s, I was a programmer in the 70s and we envisioned this and a lot more. Read Ted Nelson's book Dream Machines for an idea.
…见鬼。思考是要消耗能量——卡路里——的，所以作为进化出来的动物，只要能不动脑子蒙混过去，你就会这么干。“互联网就是用来搞黄色的”。）自从读了 Ted Nelson 的《Dream Machines》，我就一直清楚自己想做什么，而那已经是二十多年前的事了（那书出版得更早，我只是那时候才搞到手）。Engelbart 的“演示之母”还要更早。（我最近一直在摆弄一个非常简单的 UI demo…
…fuck. Thinking takes energy- calories -and so, as an evolved animal, if you can get by w/o it, you will. "The Internet is for porn.") I've known what I wanted to make ever since reading Ted Nelson's "Dream Machines" and that was twenty-odd years ago (it was published way earlier, that's just when I got ahold of it.) Engelbart's "Mother of All Demos" was even earlier. (I've been playing with a very simple UI demo…
…Nelson 而且我们是在 Hacker News 上，楼主发的评论也表明他们显然已经知道怎么上网了，那我再贴来源链接还有什么意义呢，Ted Nelson 的《Computer Lib》和《Dream Machines》，如果你连这个都没读过，那你还读过啥？
…Nelson and we are on hacker news, and the OP passed a comment that showed they obviously already know how to use the internet, what would be the point of me linking to sources, Ted Nelson, Computer Lib and Dream Machines, if you've not read it, what have you read?
Ted Nelson 在他那本富有远见卓识的著作《Dream Machines》中对这一点讲得非常直白。
Ted Nelson was very explicit on this point in his visionary book "Dream Machines".
Ted Nelson 的《Dream Machines》
Ted Nelson "Dream Machines"
致困惑的 HN 网友们：Xanadu 是 Ted Nelson 发起的一个项目。Ted Nelson 是早期计算领域的奠基级人物（尽管他自己并不是计算机科学家）。他的著作（推荐：《Dream Machines/Computer Lib》，1974 年；《Literary Machines》，1981 年；《Geeks Bearing Gifts》，2008 年）探讨的是计算机如何触动作为人类的我们，以及它们将如何影响我们的未来，尤其是在人机交互和沟通方面…
To the confused HNers: Xanadu is a project by Ted Nelson. Ted Nelson is a fundamental figure of early computing (despite not being a computer scientist himself). His work (recommended: Dream Machines/Computer Lib, 1974; Literary Machines, 1981; Geeks Bearing Gifts, 2008) is about how computers touch us as humans, and how they affect our future, especially when it comes to communicating and using them…