《论熊猫与人》封面

论熊猫与人

Of pandas and people

P. William Davis · 初版 1993 年

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  • 关于“查找和替换”翻车的一个著名例子,可以看看神创论教材《Of Pandas and People》和“cdesign proponentsists”的案子:“creationists”(神创论者)这个词被批量替换成“design proponents”(设计拥护者),但在某处,原词“creationists”的开头和结尾不小心被保留了下来,……

    For a famous example of find and replace gone wrong, see the case about the creationist Of Pandas and People textbook and cdesign proponentsists: The term "creationists" was changed to "design proponents", but in one case the beginning and end of the original word "creationists" were accidentally retained,…

  • ……https://ncse.com/creationism/legal/cdesign-proponentsists > 多年来,“智能设计论”(ID)拥护者一直否认 ID 只是神创论贴上的新标签。然而现在众所周知的是,第一本智能设计论“教材”《Of Pandas and People》,不过是一本名为《Creation Biology》的经典“双模型”神创论对进化论书籍的修订版。正如 Barbara Forrest 在奇茨米勒诉多佛案(Kitzmiller v. Dover)作证时指出的那样,《Pandas》被改造成……

    …https://ncse.com/creationism/legal/cdesign-proponentsists > For years, "intelligent design" (ID) proponents denied that ID is just a new label for creationism. However, it is now well-known that the first intelligent design "textbook," Of Pandas and People, is just a revised version of a classic "two-model' creationism vs. evolution book named Creation Biology. As Barbara Forrest showed during her testimony in Kitzmiller v. Dover, Pandas was remade into…

  • ……设计。提醒一下,这种关联也在奇茨米勒诉多佛学区案(Kitzmiller v. Dover Area School District)中得到了美国法院系统的认定。除了其他事实外,审判还证明了智能设计论教材《Of Pandas and People》的写作方式就是拿了一本神创论教材,把其中的“creationism”替换为“intelligent design”、“creationist”替换为“intelligent design proponent”等。因此,更准确的说法是这个词……

    …design. As a reminder, this association was also affirmed by the US court system in Kitzmiller v. Dover Area School District. Among other things, it was demonstrated that the intelligent design textbook "Of Pandas and People" was written by taking a creationist textbook and replacing "creationism" with "intelligent design", "creationist" with "intelligent design proponent", etc. It's therefore more correct to say the term…

  • ……在一条支持意识到他人可能“从不同前提出发”的评论里使用“急吼吼地混为一谈”这种措辞,反倒帮了倒忙。更说不过去的是,智能设计论教材《Of Pandas and People》的作者们在爱德华兹诉阿吉拉德案(Edwards v. Aguillard)尘埃落定后,确实在早期草稿中直接进行了全局搜索替换,把“creationism”换成了“intelligent design”、“intelligent creator”换成了“intelligent agency”……

    …do a misfavor by using the phrase "breathlessly conflated" in a comment which supports being aware that others may be "starting from a different premise", etc. It doesn't help that the authors of a "Of Pandas and People", an ID textbook, effectively did a search and replace in early drafts of "creationism" with "intelligent design", and "intelligent creator" to "intelligent agency", after Edwards v. Aguillard settled…

  • 这倒让我想起了《Of Pandas and People》搞出“cdesign proponentsists”的那个版本。

    Rather reminds me of the "cdesign proponentsists" version of Of Pandas and People.

  • ……多次提到“智能设计论”,其实不过是把“神创论”改了个名。正如在奇茨米勒诉多佛学区案审理期间所指出的,神创论教材《Of Pandas and People》的草稿显示,“creationism”和“Creation Science”(创造科学)这两个词几乎全被替换成了“intelligent design”,而且出名的是,有一处“creationists”被错改成了“cdesign proponentsists”。当你看到……

    …mentions several times 'intelligent design', is little more than a renaming of "creationism". As pointed out during the Kitzmiller v. Dover Area School District trial, drafts of the creationist textbook "Of Pandas and People" show that the term "creationism" and "Creation Science" were nearly all replaced with "intelligent design" and, famously, on use of "creationists" was changed to "cdesign proponentsists". When you see…

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