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Plan of attack

Bob Woodward · 初版 2004 年

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记述了George W. Bush总统、其战时内阁及盟友为何并发动先发制人打击以推翻Saddam Hussein并占领伊拉克的内幕与原因。基于对75位关键参与者的采访,以及对Bush总统长达三个半小时以上的独家专访。

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  • ……再也不信任新闻记者了,所以他们越来越转向其他信息来源。至于说拯救新闻业,我认为真正的新闻业压根不需要被拯救。我最喜欢的现代真正新闻业典范是鲍勃·伍德沃德(Bob Woodward)的《Plan of Attack》。在 2004 年大选期间,布什和克里两个阵营都推荐了这本书,它也因此成了畅销书。因为真相人人都爱看。

    …Journalists anymore so they are looking more and more to other sources. As for saving journalism I don't think true journalism needs it. My favorite modern example of true journalism is Bob Woodward's book "Plan of Attack". During the 2004 election it was recommeneded by both the Bush and Kerry camps and it was a best seller because of it. Because truth appeals to everyone.

  • 如果你有兴趣进一步了解这个话题,我列几本大家可能会感兴趣的参考书:鲍勃·伍德沃德的《Plan of Attack》、乔治·W·布什的《Decision Points》、康多莉扎·赖斯的《No Higher Honour》、唐纳德·拉姆斯菲尔德的《Known and Unknown》、乔治·特尼特的《At the Center of the Storm》、迪克·切尼的《In My Time》……

    I'll drop references which might interest some of you if you are interested in learning more about the subject: Plan of Attack, by Bob Woodward Decision Points, by George W. Bush No Higher Honour, by Condoleezza Rice Known and Unknown, by Donald Rumsfeld At the Center of the Storm, by George Tenet In My Time, by Dick Cheney…

  • ……被无视了。这根本不是什么“他们在已有信息下尽了最大努力”的情况。这纯粹是“先定结论,再找证据”。涉足这个话题的图书有:鲍勃·伍德沃德的《Plan of Attack》和《State of Denial》;蒂姆·韦纳的《Legacy of Ashes》;理查德·克拉克的《Your Government Failed You》。

    …ignored. This is not a case of "they did the best with the information they had." This is a case of "they made their conclusions first, and looked for the evidence second." Books that touch on this subject: "Plan of Attack" and "State of Denial" by Bob Woodward; "Legacy of Ashes" by Tim Weiner; "Your Government Failed You" by Richard Clarke.

  • 涉及的大多数高层人士不知情是极其不可能的。参见:https://theintercept.com/2016/02/18/trump-is-right-bush-lied... 里面还有个链接指向鲍勃·伍德沃德《Plan of Attack》一书中的一个章节,称鲍威尔明知证据有问题却依然篡改了他在联合国演讲的内容。

    It's extremely unlikely most of the top people involved didn't know. See: https://theintercept.com/2016/02/18/trump-is-right-bush-lied... There's also a link in there to a section of Bob Woodward's book Plan of Attack claiming Powell knowingly altered evidence for his UN presentation.

  • ……其实是真的。看起来倒也不是那种深不见底的愤世嫉俗和穷凶极恶,更多是一种过度简单化的道德圣战:https://www.nytimes.com/2020/07/28/books/review/to-start-a-w...: > 在《Plan of Attack》中,鲍勃·伍德沃德把布什描绘成对开战理由充满怀疑,并暗示特尼特的肯定表态“非常关键”。德雷珀并不同意。问题不在于证据。而在于……

    …actually true. It doesn't seem like it was deeply cynical and nefarious like that; it was more of an overly-simplistic moral crusade: https://www.nytimes.com/2020/07/28/books/review/to-start-a-w...: > In “Plan of Attack,” Bob Woodward described Bush as being beset by doubt about the case for war, and suggested that Tenet’s affirmation had been “very important.” Draper disagrees. The issue wasn’t the evidence. It was…

  • ……老师却反而让孩子们变得更不安全?举个例子,如果允许老师携带泰瑟枪,以便在遇到学生试图袭击时进行自卫,这样真的没问题吗?[1] 伍德沃德,鲍勃(2004)。《Plan of Attack》。第 150 页。

    …teachers by making it less safe for the children? For example, would it be ok for the teachers to carry tasers to protect themselves in case a child attempts to assault them? [1] Woodward, Bob (2004). Plan of Attack. p. 150.

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