Fair enough, but my point was just that the title here might mislead people if (like me) they were already familiar with the legend of "Chomsky's review of Verbal Behavior." I went to the article expecting it to be a cultural history of that review. (You know the sort of thing I mean: one of these now popular histories that starts from something very specific - a product,…
…Skinner was much more established in his respective field at that time, which is why Skinner made the mistake of ignoring the review. Skinner didn't believe Chomsky, or linguists generally, understood Verbal Behavior, which further encouraged him to ignore the review. At the end of the day, you can't have a real debate between two views unless both views are properly understood. Useful reference: https://www.researchgate.net/publication/223959896_Skinner_a...
> The undoing of Skinner's grip on psychology is commonly marked by Chomsky's 1959 critical review of Skinner's book Verbal Behavior, a book in which Skinner attempted to explain linguistic ability using behaviorist principles. This article is from 2012. In the 10 years since, we've shown that reward maximization can lead to unexpectedly…
……http://norvig.com/chomsky.html 第二：我惊讶地发现这篇文章居然提都没提斯金纳。这篇文章显然是想对乔姆斯基做当年乔姆斯基在 1959 年对斯金纳做过的事（《A Review of B. F. Skinner's Verbal Behavior》, http://www.chomsky.info/articles/1967----.htm ）。乔姆斯基基本上就是凭借那篇论文开创了现代认知心理学时代，取代了先前的行为主义范式。Norvig 的……
…http://norvig.com/chomsky.html Second: I found it astounding that the article never mentions Skinner. Surely this article is trying to do to Chomsky what Chomsky did to Skinner in 1959 ("A Review of B. F. Skinner's Verbal Behavior", http://www.chomsky.info/articles/1967----.htm ). Chomsky basically marked the beginning of modern era of cognitive psychology with that essay, displaing the previous paradigm of behaviorism. Norvig's…
Chomsky's famous review of Verbal Behavior was from 1959. He REISSUED it in 1967, as the document the article links to plainly and clearly states. Geez, this is a pretty stupid mistake for Katz and The Atlantic to make. They should fix it.
…linguist and I don't know much about his works, except formal grammars and such and I know that he has some strong political views, although I cannot really describe them. When Skinner published his book "Verbal Behavior", Chomsky wrote a very critical review of it. The review became very popular, more than the book itself. Skinner never replied (he rarely did). My understanding is that this was one of major blows against…
有道理，不过我的意思只是说这里的标题可能会误导人，尤其是那些（像我一样）早就对“乔姆斯基对《Verbal Behavior》的批评”这一传奇有所了解的人。我点进这篇文章还以为它会是针对那篇书评展开的文化史。（你知道我指的是哪种：就是现在很流行的那种以某个非常具体的事物——比如一件产品——为切入点展开的历史，……
Fair enough, but my point was just that the title here might mislead people if (like me) they were already familiar with the legend of "Chomsky's review of Verbal Behavior." I went to the article expecting it to be a cultural history of that review. (You know the sort of thing I mean: one of these now popular histories that starts from something very specific - a product,…
……斯金纳当时在各自领域里威望要高得多，这也是为什么斯金纳犯了轻视那篇书评的错误。斯金纳认为乔姆斯基，或者说一般的语言学家，根本没搞懂《Verbal Behavior》，这也让他更加心安理得地忽略那篇书评。说到底，除非双方的观点都被充分理解，否则根本不可能有真正的辩论。很有价值的参考资料：https://www.researchgate.net/publication/223959896_Skinner_a...
…Skinner was much more established in his respective field at that time, which is why Skinner made the mistake of ignoring the review. Skinner didn't believe Chomsky, or linguists generally, understood Verbal Behavior, which further encouraged him to ignore the review. At the end of the day, you can't have a real debate between two views unless both views are properly understood. Useful reference: https://www.researchgate.net/publication/223959896_Skinner_a...
> 斯金纳对心理学统治地位的瓦解，通常以乔姆斯基 1959 年对斯金纳著作《Verbal Behavior》的批判性书评为标志，斯金纳在这本书中试图用行为主义原理解释语言能力。这篇文章写于 2012 年。而在此后的 10 年里，我们已经证明了奖励最大化能够带来出人意料的……
> The undoing of Skinner's grip on psychology is commonly marked by Chomsky's 1959 critical review of Skinner's book Verbal Behavior, a book in which Skinner attempted to explain linguistic ability using behaviorist principles. This article is from 2012. In the 10 years since, we've shown that reward maximization can lead to unexpectedly…
……http://norvig.com/chomsky.html 第二：我惊讶地发现这篇文章居然提都没提斯金纳。这篇文章显然是想对乔姆斯基做当年乔姆斯基在 1959 年对斯金纳做过的事（《A Review of B. F. Skinner's Verbal Behavior》, http://www.chomsky.info/articles/1967----.htm ）。乔姆斯基基本上就是凭借那篇论文开创了现代认知心理学时代，取代了先前的行为主义范式。Norvig 的……
…http://norvig.com/chomsky.html Second: I found it astounding that the article never mentions Skinner. Surely this article is trying to do to Chomsky what Chomsky did to Skinner in 1959 ("A Review of B. F. Skinner's Verbal Behavior", http://www.chomsky.info/articles/1967----.htm ). Chomsky basically marked the beginning of modern era of cognitive psychology with that essay, displaing the previous paradigm of behaviorism. Norvig's…
乔姆斯基那篇著名的《Verbal Behavior》书评发表于 1959 年。他是在 1967 年重印的，文章链接的文献写得清清楚楚、明明白白。天哪，Katz 和《大西洋月刊》犯这种错误也太低级了，他们该修正过来。
Chomsky's famous review of Verbal Behavior was from 1959. He REISSUED it in 1967, as the document the article links to plainly and clearly states. Geez, this is a pretty stupid mistake for Katz and The Atlantic to make. They should fix it.
……语言学家，除了形式文法之类的东西，我对他的作品不太了解，我也知道他有一些强烈的政治观点，虽然我很难确切描述出来。当年斯金纳出版了《Verbal Behavior》，乔姆斯基写了一篇极具批判性的书评。这篇书评后来变得极为出名，甚至盖过了书本身。斯金纳从未回应过（他向来很少回应）。我的理解是，这是对……的重击之一。
…linguist and I don't know much about his works, except formal grammars and such and I know that he has some strong political views, although I cannot really describe them. When Skinner published his book "Verbal Behavior", Chomsky wrote a very critical review of it. The review became very popular, more than the book itself. Skinner never replied (he rarely did). My understanding is that this was one of major blows against…