城市动力学
Urban dynamics
Jay Wright Forrester · 初版 1969 年
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在这部充满争议的著作中，Jay Forrester 提出了一个计算机模型，描述了控制城市区域内人口、住房和工业平衡的主要内在力量。随后，他模拟了城市的生命周期，并预测了各项治理措施建议对该系统的影响。本书结论令人惊叹，成为一项重大研究的基础，并影响了诸多政府的城市政策决策。
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Urban dynamics
Jay Wright Forrester · 初版 1969 年
在这部充满争议的著作中，Jay Forrester 提出了一个计算机模型，描述了控制城市区域内人口、住房和工业平衡的主要内在力量。随后，他模拟了城市的生命周期，并预测了各项治理措施建议对该系统的影响。本书结论令人惊叹，成为一项重大研究的基础，并影响了诸多政府的城市政策决策。
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……基调轻松，并没讨论《模拟城市》背后的底层模型。推荐顺便读读这篇：https://logicmag.io/06-model-metropolis/ ——里面聊到了《模拟城市》从 Jay Forrester 的《Urban Dynamics》中汲取的灵感以及其缺陷。还有这篇 https://placesjournal.org/article/a-city-is-not-a-computer/ ，这是我一直打算拜读并拿来跟 Geoffrey West 的著作（https://www.ted.com/talks/geoffrey_west_the_surprising_math_...……）做对比的文章。
…lighthearted and doesn't talk about the underlying models behind simcity. Would recommend also reading: https://logicmag.io/06-model-metropolis/ - which talks about simcity's inspiration from Jay Forrester's 'Urban Dynamics" and it's flaws. Also, https://placesjournal.org/article/a-city-is-not-a-computer/ , which is something I've been meaning to read & contrast alongside Geoffrey West's works ( https://www.ted.com/talks/geoffrey_west_the_surprising_math_...…
这有点误导人了。据我所知，《模拟城市》里的建模深受 Jay Forrester 1969 年出版的《Urban Dynamics》一书的影响，该书问世时在城市规划界备受推崇，但后来逐渐失宠了 [1]。那个“为游戏性做优化”的引言，是指开发者们如何……
This is a bit misleading. From what I've read, the modeling in sim city is heavily influenced by Urban Dynamics by Jay Forrester, a 1969 book which was highly regarded in urban planning circles when it came out and has since fallen out of favour [1]. The "optimise for gameplay" quote was in reference to how developers…
如果我没记错的话，它部分灵感来自 Forrester 的《Urban Dynamics》。
IIRC it was partly inspired by Forrester's Urban Dynamics.
……那些理论是怎么来的？>WW：起初对我来说它就是个玩具。我只是把编辑器做得越来越精细。我觉得要是能让这个世界活起来会很酷。于是我开始研究关于城市动力学、交通等方面的书籍。我偶然读到了系统动力学之父 Jay Forrester 的作品。他其实是我发现的最早真正对城市进行模拟的人之一……
…theories, happen? >WW: First, it was just a toy for me. I was just making my editor more and more elaborate. I thought it would be cool to have the world come to life. So I started researching books on urban dynamics, and traffic, and things like that. I came across the work of Jay Forrester, who was kind of the father of system dynamics. He was actually one of the first people I found that actually simulated a city…
……只要你乐意，一个下午就能搞定。天哪，你知道的，我连补读普鲁斯特、卡夫卡、陀思妥耶夫斯基那些书的时间都快挤不出来了，哪还有空看别的。不管怎么说，我大学时用 FORTRAN 做过《Urban Dynamics》的仿真。这算数吗？那时候有一大批末日论者，Ehrlich 就是其中之一。他可没其他人聪明，不懂得避开那些能被证伪的言论。
…in an afternoon if you like. Gosh, you know, it's hard to squeeze in more books, what with catching up with my Proust and Kafka and Dostoevsky and all that. Anyhow, in college I did a simulation of Urban Dynamics, in FORTRAN. Does that count? There were a whole class of doom-sayers back then. Ehrlich was one of them. He wasn't smart enough to avoid saying things that could be checked, like the others were.
……一边哀叹自己只是领先于时代。不好意思，但 3 * A/B 算不上什么颠覆认知的地缘政治推演模型。《模拟城市》差不多就在那阵子问世，灵感来自《Urban Dynamics》这本书，里面全都是基于相互影响的微分方程组构建的复杂模型。相比之下，这里提到的成果显得太小儿科了，甚至都没必要……
…while lamenting that he's just ahead of his time. I'm sorry, but 3 * A/B is not some mind-blowing model of geopolitical forces at play. SimCity came out around this time and was inspired by the book Urban Dynamics, which contains complicated models based on systems of differential equations which feed into one-another. Considering that, the work referenced seems elementary, to the point of not even needing to…