奇怪的战败

Strange defeat;

Marc Léopold Benjamin Bloch · 初版 1968 年

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  • ……条件,或者比其他国家更容易投降,所谓“最后一个勇敢的法国人死在了拿破仑从俄国撤退的路上”纯属……不符合史实。)梅的《奇怪的胜利》不如布洛赫的《奇怪的败局》——但我记得(过去挺久了)梅似乎在暗示,德国人那边很大程度上也纯属侥幸。当时负责掌权的人自大得离谱,很多……

    …conditions or more likely to surrender than other countries, that "the last brave frenchman died during Napoleon's retreat from Russia" to be... ahistoric. ) May's "Strange Victory" isn't as good as Bloch's "Strange Defeat" - but as I recall (it has been some time) May seemed to suggest that much of this seemed like chance on the German side, too. That you had ridiculously overconfident people in charge, that a lot of…

  • 如果说还有哪本书是大家必读的,那就是马克·布洛赫的《奇怪的败局》,这是一部关于法国沦陷于纳粹和维希政权的评论兼口述史。其中的对比和我们许多人现在目睹的现状惊人地相似。

    If there's another book that people need to read, its "Strange Defeat" by Marc Bloch, as its a commentary/oral history on the fall of France to the Nazis and Vichy regime. The comparisons are eerily similar to what many of us are seeing now.

  • ……《西方哲学史》,伯特兰·罗素著:这本书太棒了。去读吧。-《西方将主宰多久》,伊恩·莫里斯著:地理如何推动历史。非常深刻且发人深省。-《奇怪的败局》,马克·布洛赫著:身处局内对1940年法国军队崩溃所作的扣人心弦、栩栩如生的叙述(马克·布洛赫当时是一名军官)。对这场失败背后长期酝酿的原因进行了极其深刻的分析。……

    …Western Philosophy, by Bertrand Russell : This is a wonderful book. Read it. - Why the West rules -- for now, Ian Morris : How geography drives history. really deep and thought-provoking. - the Strange Defeat, Marc Bloch : A gripping, living narration of the French armies collapse in 1940, from the inside (Marc Bloch was an officer). With a very deep analysis of the long maturing reasons for this defeat.…

  • ……古典时代细致到他能指出早已消失的建筑,他博览群书,对如何打好仗思考得很深。被“颠覆”(disrupted)是什么感觉?去直接读读布洛赫的《奇怪的败局》吧,它生动描绘了当你被上一场战争的胜利者领导时,去面对一支崭新、充满生机、高效运转的德国国防军究竟是种什么体验。大卫·斯特林爵士的传记读起来就像一长串不可能完成的任务——……

    …classical era to such details he could point at disappeared buildings, he was well read and thoughtful about how to best wage war. What is it like to be "disrupted"? Read it first hand from Bloch's "Strange Defeat", describing just what it was like to face the new, fresh, efficient Wehrmacht when you are led by the last war's winners. Sir David Stirling's biography reads like a long list of impossible things -…

  • ……他们没有教过我。克莱顿·克里斯坦森的《创新者的窘境》/《创新者的解答》提出了一个非常诱人的想法,但我认为它所涵盖内容的核心解释,在马克·布洛赫的《奇怪的败局》里阐述得好得多。HN 上经常有关于这本书的分帖,我就不多说了。我还读过几本杰克·韦尔奇的书,当时觉得,哇,这家伙真懂行。那还是在2007年之前。……

    …they did not teach me. Clayton Christensen's Innovator's Dilemma/Solution presents a very enticing idea but I think the core explanation for what it covers is much better set forward in Marc Bloch's Strange Defeat. There are regular sub-threads on the book on HN so I won't go into it further. I also read a couple of Jack Welch books and thought, wow, this guy knows what he is talking about. This was before 2007.…

  • ……“必须甘愿为了手下的人,也为了他自己,去承担可能带来良好成果的牺牲,而不是一味可耻地退让,那样永远毫无意义”——马克·布洛赫《奇怪的败局》。这段话真的触动了我,因为我一直在反思自己作为领导者和商人的失败;过去我对待领导工作,就像对待一份技术员的工作一样。诚实固然重要。……

    …must be willing to accept for the men under him, no less than for himself, sacrifices which may be productive of good, rather than a shameful yielding which must remain for ever useless" - Marc Bloch "Strange Defeat" This quote really hit me because I have been thinking about my own failures as a leader and as a businessperson; I approached leadership as you would approach a technician job. Honesty is important.…

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