物性论

De Rerum Natura

Lucretius、Marciano Guerrero、MaryMarc Translations · 初版 -55 年

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为什么值得读

  • 将观察与逻辑结合探索现代科学的早期萌芽
  • 生动普及了伊壁鸠鲁学派对于需求的划分
  • 提出了适者生存和遗传机制等超前观念

Hacker News 上怎么说

  • 卢克莱修的《物性论》(De rerum natura)让人得以一窥公元前1世纪科学思想的基石,极其迷人。我刚读完;它很有意思地将逻辑与观察结合起来,试图……

    On the Nature of Things (De rerum natura) by Lucretius is a fascinating glimpse at the foundation of scientific thought from the 1st century BC. I just finished reading it; it's an interesting mix of combining logic with observation to try…

  • 确实是。不过话说回来,学拉丁文能让你直接读卢克莱修的原著,而且他的《物性论》跟《沉思录》里的斯多葛主义形成了非常有趣的对比。

    They were. But hey, learning Latin would give you the ability to read Lucretius in the original, and his "De Rerum Natura" is quite an interesting contrast to the Stoicism of "Meditations".

  • 我个人从卢克莱修·卡鲁斯的《物性论》[0]里收获颇多。它对普及伊壁鸠鲁哲学起到了关键作用。书中描述了三种需求:1. 必要且自然的需求:睡觉、吃饭、还有那档子事。2. 不必要的(从个人的角度来看……

    I personally found a lot from Lucretius Carus's "De Rerum Natura"[0]. It was important to popularize the philosophy of Epicurus. It describes three types of needs: 1. Necessary and natural needs: Sleep, eat, the other thing. 2. Unnecessary (from the individual's…

  • ……我们今天所生活的世界。当然,《圣经》对西方文化产生了巨大的影响,但人们完全可以争辩它究竟是弊大于利还是利大于弊。从卢克莱修的《物性论》(De Rerum Natura)中能学到的东西,可比从《圣经》里多得多。

    …that we live in today. Of course the bible had a lot of influence on western culture but one could argue whether it was not more detrimental than beneficial. There is more to be learnt from Lucretius' De Rerum Natura (On the Nature of Things) than from The Bible.

  • ……在疫情期间调研了一番,简直太神了。很多人可能真不知道,许多现代观念比我们想象的要古老得多,具体来说,卢克莱修早在公元前50年就将其汇编成了一首名为《物性论》(De Rerum Natura)的诗。其中的思想包括将适者生存作为驱动我们周围生命及我们自身的机制、父母通过双重种子把性状遗传给子女……

    …researched over the pandemic and it's AMAZING. So what a lot of people might not really know is that many modern ideas are older than we think, specifically compiled into a poem in 50 BCE by Lucretius called De Rerum Natura ("The Nature of Things). The ideas there included survival of the fittest as the mechanism driving the life we see around us and ourselves, that parents pass on traits to children from a doubled seed…

  • ……梦境,你可以看到这个类比用得多么精妙——就像用 X-ray 去观察炭化卷轴中原子排列的细微变化一样。(这些在 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/De_rerum_natura 中都有涉及——如果你有时间,我强烈推荐读一读 Stallings 的押韵译本。你会被伊壁鸠鲁唯物主义原子论对世界的解释所震惊并折服于其理性与科学性,……

    …dreams, and you can see how well that would work as an analogy with using X-rays to look at subtle changes in the arrangement of atoms in charred scrolls. (These are covered in https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/De_rerum_natura - if you have some time, I highly recommend reading Stalling's rhyming translation. You'll be shocked and admire the rationality & scientificness of Epicurean materialist atomist explanations of the world,…

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