…saying this as someone who has recently completed Republic[1], and thoroughly enjoyed it (and fumed at it in some places). Instead, get familiar with some of the earlier, and famous, Socratic dialogues: Euthyphro, Apology (this is referring to a "formal defense", i.e. apologia; not regret), Crito, et al — they're shorter, give you a great flavour of Socrates, and will prepare you for the Republic. An excellent…
Well, look at Socrates. Read Euthyphro, Apology, Crito, and Phaedo. It's pretty clear that he believed his philosophy, and both lived and died by it. Although, if you insist on being doubtful, we only know about him through the dialogs which…
…standard that transcends God that makes it not OK to do certain things even if God says it's OK? (BTW, in case you don't recognize it, this question was first raised by Plato in a famous dialogue called Euthyphro. It's worth reading. And BTW2, if you think that this example is too extreme you should read Jeremiah 19:9.)
…standard that transcends God that makes it not OK to do certain things even if God says it's OK? (BTW, in case you don't recognize it, this question was first raised by Plato in a famous dialogue called Euthyphro. It's worth reading. And BTW2, if you think that this example is too extreme you should read Jeremiah 19:9.) The argument is actually Aristotle's, Plato just wrote it down, but yes I'm very familiar…
I heavily recommend the Euthyphro, Apology, Crito, Republic, and Phaedrus (in particular) - it’s said all of philosophy is a footnote on Plato until Nietzsche. I think only a summary of Schopenhauer (like a penguin selection or something)…
柏拉图的《游叙弗伦篇》（Euthyphro）。
Euthyphro by Plato.
……说这话的人最近刚读完《Republic》[1]，而且非常享受（有些地方也气得不行）。相反，先去熟悉一些更早、也更有名的苏格拉底对话：《Euthyphro》《Apology》（这里指的是“正式辩护”，即 apologia，不是遗憾）、《Crito》等等——它们更短，能让你很好地感受苏格拉底，也会为你读《Republic》做准备。一个极好的……
…saying this as someone who has recently completed Republic[1], and thoroughly enjoyed it (and fumed at it in some places). Instead, get familiar with some of the earlier, and famous, Socratic dialogues: Euthyphro, Apology (this is referring to a "formal defense", i.e. apologia; not regret), Crito, et al — they're shorter, give you a great flavour of Socrates, and will prepare you for the Republic. An excellent…
嗯，看看苏格拉底。读《Euthyphro》《Apology》《Crito》和《Phaedo》。很明显他相信自己的哲学，并且生也由它、死也由它。不过，如果你非要存疑，我们只能通过那些对话录了解他，而它们……
Well, look at Socrates. Read Euthyphro, Apology, Crito, and Phaedo. It's pretty clear that he believed his philosophy, and both lived and died by it. Although, if you insist on being doubtful, we only know about him through the dialogs which…
……是否存在一个超越上帝的准则，使得即便上帝说某件事可以做，它也依然是不对的？（顺便说一句，以防有人不知道，这个问题最早是柏拉图在一篇名为《游叙弗伦篇》的名篇对话录中提出的。很值得一读。另外再顺便提一句，如果你觉得这个例子太极端，去读读《耶利米书》19:9 吧。）
…standard that transcends God that makes it not OK to do certain things even if God says it's OK? (BTW, in case you don't recognize it, this question was first raised by Plato in a famous dialogue called Euthyphro. It's worth reading. And BTW2, if you think that this example is too extreme you should read Jeremiah 19:9.)
……是否存在一个超越上帝的准则，使得即便上帝说某件事可以做，它也依然是不对的？（顺便说一句，以防有人不知道，这个问题最早是柏拉图在一篇名为《游叙弗伦篇》的名篇对话录中提出的。很值得一读。另外再顺便提一句，如果你觉得这个例子太极端，去读读《耶利米书》19:9 吧。）这个论点其实是亚里士多德的，柏拉图只是把它记下来了，不过是的，我对此非常熟悉……
…standard that transcends God that makes it not OK to do certain things even if God says it's OK? (BTW, in case you don't recognize it, this question was first raised by Plato in a famous dialogue called Euthyphro. It's worth reading. And BTW2, if you think that this example is too extreme you should read Jeremiah 19:9.) The argument is actually Aristotle's, Plato just wrote it down, but yes I'm very familiar…
我强烈推荐《游叙弗伦篇》《申辩篇》《克力同篇》《理想国》，尤其是《斐德罗篇》——有人说在尼采之前，整部哲学史不过是柏拉图的注脚。我觉得哪怕只读叔本华的概要（比如企鹅精选之类的）……
I heavily recommend the Euthyphro, Apology, Crito, Republic, and Phaedrus (in particular) - it’s said all of philosophy is a footnote on Plato until Nietzsche. I think only a summary of Schopenhauer (like a penguin selection or something)…