……原因在于人们开始出钱在网站上挂 banner 广告，但要求至少得有一种方法来统计和追踪这些 banner 的点击量，从那之后一切就急转直下了。对于读过 Hakim Bey 的《TAZ》的人来说，他认为互联网赋予大众权力的潜力在 1996 年左右就走向了终结——也就是广告侵入网络、并将其变成监控工具的那个时期。
…reason people started to offer money to display ads banner on websites but asked for at least a way to count and track clicks on those banners and It's been all downhill from there. For those who read TAZ by Hakim Bey he put the end of the potential of the web to put the people in power around 1996 when ads came to the web and turned it into a surveillance tool.
…becoming commercial would ultimately destroy the democratic potential of the internet to mirror the issues of capitalism such as centralizing power and wealth. In 2003 (was it 2001?) there's the 2nd edition TAZ preface by Hakim Bey[3], in 2007 there's this infamous talk "free internet or minitel 2.0"[1] at the Libre Software Meeting[2]. Closer to now there's RIPE publishing "The death of transit"[3] and recently…
……政府在哲学层面上排除了官僚式治理。特别是与反威权马克思主义传统中的其他人相比，他的立场很有意思。我之前没听说过 Hakim Bey 或《TAZ》，多谢你给我指出这个。
…government philosophically rules out a bureaucratic governance. In particular his position is interesting in contrast to others in the anti-authoritarian Marxist tradition. I hadn't heard of Hakim Bey or TAZ, so thanks for pointing that out to me.
我也拿不准，但上上楼可能参考了 Hakim Bey 对 Net 和 Web 的区分。这段出自 1991 年的《TAZ, The Temporary Autonomous Zone》：我们谈到过 Net，它可以被定义为所有信息和通信传输的总和。其中一些传输是享有特权且受限的……
I'm not sure, but the grand-parent might be drawing from Hakim Bey's distinction between Net and Web. This is from TAZ, The Temporary Autonomous Zone (1991): We’ve spoken of the Net, which can be defined as the totality of all information and communication transfer. Some of these transfers are privileged and limited…
……本质上是具有军事用途的。主动去提供某个未来潜在交战区在其他途径根本获取不到的高精度细节，是不对的。有些细节就不该出现在地图上。这就是我在 Hakim Bey 的《TAZ》里读到的观点
…essentially had a military use. Volunteering to give otherwise unattainable level of detail about a potential future war zone, is not right. Some details should be kept away from maps. That's what I read in TAZ by Hakim Bey
……原因在于人们开始出钱在网站上挂 banner 广告，但要求至少得有一种方法来统计和追踪这些 banner 的点击量，从那之后一切就急转直下了。对于读过 Hakim Bey 的《TAZ》的人来说，他认为互联网赋予大众权力的潜力在 1996 年左右就走向了终结——也就是广告侵入网络、并将其变成监控工具的那个时期。
…reason people started to offer money to display ads banner on websites but asked for at least a way to count and track clicks on those banners and It's been all downhill from there. For those who read TAZ by Hakim Bey he put the end of the potential of the web to put the people in power around 1996 when ads came to the web and turned it into a surveillance tool.
……商业化最终会摧毁互联网的民主潜力，转而映射出资本主义的种种弊端，比如权力和财富的集中。2003 年（还是 2001 年来着？）Hakim Bey 写了《TAZ》第二版序言[3]，2007 年在自由软件大会[2]上有过那场著名的演讲《自由互联网还是 Minitel 2.0》[1]。离现在更近一些的，有 RIPE 发布的《转接服务的消亡》[3]，以及最近……
…becoming commercial would ultimately destroy the democratic potential of the internet to mirror the issues of capitalism such as centralizing power and wealth. In 2003 (was it 2001?) there's the 2nd edition TAZ preface by Hakim Bey[3], in 2007 there's this infamous talk "free internet or minitel 2.0"[1] at the Libre Software Meeting[2]. Closer to now there's RIPE publishing "The death of transit"[3] and recently…
……政府在哲学层面上排除了官僚式治理。特别是与反威权马克思主义传统中的其他人相比，他的立场很有意思。我之前没听说过 Hakim Bey 或《TAZ》，多谢你给我指出这个。
…government philosophically rules out a bureaucratic governance. In particular his position is interesting in contrast to others in the anti-authoritarian Marxist tradition. I hadn't heard of Hakim Bey or TAZ, so thanks for pointing that out to me.
我也拿不准，但上上楼可能参考了 Hakim Bey 对 Net 和 Web 的区分。这段出自 1991 年的《TAZ, The Temporary Autonomous Zone》：我们谈到过 Net，它可以被定义为所有信息和通信传输的总和。其中一些传输是享有特权且受限的……
I'm not sure, but the grand-parent might be drawing from Hakim Bey's distinction between Net and Web. This is from TAZ, The Temporary Autonomous Zone (1991): We’ve spoken of the Net, which can be defined as the totality of all information and communication transfer. Some of these transfers are privileged and limited…
……本质上是具有军事用途的。主动去提供某个未来潜在交战区在其他途径根本获取不到的高精度细节，是不对的。有些细节就不该出现在地图上。这就是我在 Hakim Bey 的《TAZ》里读到的观点
…essentially had a military use. Volunteering to give otherwise unattainable level of detail about a potential future war zone, is not right. Some details should be kept away from maps. That's what I read in TAZ by Hakim Bey