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• username42 · 2013 年

  …很多优秀产品被微软的手段整死的前因后果（dr dos、stacker、framemaker、borland C++……）。我当年最有用的一本书是 http://www.amazon.com/Undocumented-Windows-Programmers-Micro.... 许多人因为微软的垄断浪费了大量时间。单单因为 IE6 就浪费了多少时间啊？在 1999 到 2002 年间，我就浪费了大把时间，因为 visual C++ 实在…

  …the birth and death of many good products that have been killed by Microsoft tactics (dr dos, stacker, framemaker, borland C++, ...). One of my most usefull book at that time was http://www.amazon.com/Undocumented-Windows-Programmers-Micro.... Many people have lost a lot of time because of the monopoly of Microsoft. How much time lost because of IE6 ? I have lost a lot of time between 1999 and 2002 because visual C++ was…

• jng · 2019 年

  …最初是盖在 DOS 之上的一层，用汇编语言写的。到底算不算“一层”，成了90年代一场极其复杂的联邦反垄断诉讼的焦点。你可以读读《Undocumented DOS》和《Undocumented Windows》，感受一下那种奇特的技术侦探惊悚小说般的氛围，我当年觉得特别引人入胜。

  …originally a layer on top DOS which was written in assembly language. Being a "layer" or not was the subject of a very complex federal antitrust case back in the 90s. You can read "Undocumented DOS" and "Undocumented Windows" for some weird kind of technical investigation thriller which I found weirdly fascinating back in the day.

• markus_zhang · 2026 年

  我觉得他们是通过读《Undocumented Windows》或者《Windows Internals》（别和《Windows NT internals》搞混了）这类书，外加翻微软的文档自学出来的。讲真，我觉得那时候可比现在写 Javascript 有意思多了。

  I think they learned by reading books such as Undocumented Windows or Windows Internals (not to be confused with Windows NT internals), and Microsoft documents. In fact, I’d argue it was more fun than programming Javascript these days.

• reacweb · 2017 年

  这在 windows 3.1 里用到了，在《Undocumented Windows》里有解释 https://www.amazon.com/Undocumented-Windows-Programmers-Micr...

  It is used in windows 3.1 and explained in "undocument windows" https://www.amazon.com/Undocumented-Windows-Programmers-Micr...

• Stratoscope · 2020 年

  …投入大量时间去逆向其他 Windows 应用和 Windows 自身，像 Matt Pietrek 和 Andrew Schulman 这些人也是。Andrew 尤其可能把他的《Undocumented Windows》整整留出一章，专门讲你说的这个基于文本的系统。那对他来说可太爽了！另外还得考虑内存限制和程序员的工期。别忘了，Windows 1.0 可是跑在 256KB 内存的机器上（慢得要死），而且…

  …amount of time reverse engineering other Windows apps and Windows itself, along with people like Matt Pietrek and Andrew Schulman. Andrew in particular would have devoted an entire chapter of his book Undocumented Windows to the text-based system you describe. It would be a field day for him! Also consider memory limitations and programmer time. Remember that Windows 1.0 ran (slowly) on a machine with 256KB memory and…

• andrewf · 2021 年

  …软件，以及它是如何沿着 Windows/386 -> 3.0 -> 3.11 -> 95 一路演进的。这些书不讲幕后八卦（也就是它们不是《Showstopper!》那种风格）——Pietrek 的《Windows Internals》(1993)；Schulman、Maxie、Pietrek 的《Undocumented Windows》(1992)；Pietrek 的《Windows 95 System Programming Secrets》(1995)；Schulman 的《Unauthorized Windows 95》(1994)；Oney 的《Systems Programming for Windows 95》(Microsoft Press, 1996)；Williams 的《DOS and…

  …software, and its progression through Windows/386 -> 3.0 -> 3.11 -> 95. They don't go behind the scenes (ie they're not Showstopper!) - Pietrek - Windows Internals (1993) Schulman, Maxie, Pietrek - Undocumented Windows (1992) Pietrek - Windows 95 System Programming Secrets (1995) Schulman - Unauthorized Windows 95 (1994) Oney - Systems Programming for Windows 95 (Microsoft Press, 1996) Williams - DOS and…

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