《地下世界的密码》封面

地下世界的密码

Codes of the underworld

Diego Gambetta · 初版 2009 年

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  • ……差点让我产生想去看的冲动,但终究还是差了点,因为我觉得黑帮片我已经看够了。看完了《黑道家族》《好家伙》《教父》,可能还有几部别的,再加上读了迭戈·甘贝塔(Diego Gambetta)的《黑帮密码:罪犯是如何交流的》(Codes of the Underworld: How Criminals Communicate),我觉得这个题材已经被拍烂了。杀人总归也是坏事。地下世界繁荣的许多东西其实都应该合法化,就像赌博和现在的类大麻……

    …almost makes me want to watch it, but not quite enough, because I feel like I’ve seen enough mob movies. After The Sopranos, Goodfellas, The Godfather, and probably some more, plus reading Diego Gambetta’s Codes of the Underworld: How Criminals Communicate, I think that universe is pretty played out. Killing people is also bad. Many of the things that thrive in the underworld should be legalized, like gambling has been and marijuana…

  • 你对意大利的情况比我熟悉得多。我的评论是基于《黑帮密码》(Codes of the Underworld,迭戈·甘贝塔,2009年,普林斯顿大学出版社)。在第70页,他说:“可能犯错违规的范围越广,可用于相互勒索的潜在信息就越多……

    You are much more familiar with the situation in Italy than I am. My comment was based on Codes of the Underworld (Diego Gambetta, 2009, Princeton University Press). On page 70, he says: "The wider the range of possible transgressions, the greater the amount of potential information available for mutual blackmailing...…

  • ……所说的:“跟你的老板一起干一件坏事,胜过为你的老板干一百件好事。随着时间的推移,这可能会演变成犯罪学家迭戈·甘贝塔在他开创性的《黑帮密码》一书中所说的‘人质信息’(hostage-information)的实际交换——即双方对彼此罪行的心知肚明,这构成了谁也不会破坏约定的强有力保证。”还有,“但恶习往往充当了一种筛选机制,剔除掉那些罕见的……

    …put it, “It’s better to do one bad thing with your boss than a hundred good things for your boss. Over time, this can extend to an actual exchange of what criminologist Diego Gambetta in his pioneering Codes of the Underworld calls “hostage-information,” mutual knowledge of each party’s sins that acts as a powerful guarantee neither will break their agreements." And, "But vice serves as a kind of screen, weeding out the rare…

  • 我觉得这很有意思,因为迭戈·甘贝塔写过一本叫《黑帮密码》的书,里面提到黑手党和黑帮成员往往会把自己描绘成除了当黑帮以外完全无能、一无是处的形象。他们的目的在于:释放出自己根本没有心思去抢……

    This is interesting to me because Diego Gambetta wrote a book called Codes of the Underworld about how mobsters and mafia members often depict themselves as utterly incompetent and incapable at doing anything other than being a mobster. Their purpose: to signal that they have no desire to take…

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