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Ecological Imperialism

Alfred W. Crosby · 初版 1986 年

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Crosby 提出,欧洲文化和基因种群的扩张,从长远来看主要是生态与生物学共同作用的结果,而非源自那些短促而痛苦的征服战争。

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  • ……历史。”但我记忆中真正改变了我人生的历史书包括:Simon Schama 的《The Embarrassment of Riches》(关于荷兰帝国兴衰的绝妙历史)、Alfred Crosby 的《Ecological Imperialism》(类似于《1491》,但视野更广阔),以及 Fernand Braudel 的《Civilization and Capitalism》系列(在我看来是 20 世纪最伟大的历史巨著)。我还记得自己很喜欢 John Brewer 的《The……

    …History." But the history books that I remember really changing my life include Simon Schama's "The Embarrassment of Riches" (a fantastic history of the rise and fall of the Dutch empire), Alfred Crosby's "Ecological Imperialism" (similar to 1491, but more wide-ranging), and Fernand Braudel's Civilization and Capitalism series (the best history books of the 20th century, in my view). I also remember loving John Brewer's "The…

  • ……而不是正视征服的残酷现实。展开细说的话,除了上面提到的内容,还涉及大量人口统计学以及针对“处女地流行病(virgin soil epidemics)”影响的史料分析。Crosby 的《Ecological Imperialism》对这方面内容做了极其出色的梳理。即使是最早记录内陆人口的欧洲人文献,比如 de Soto 探险队,[1] 描述的也已经是大规模人口锐减之后的惨状了,……

    …rather than confronting the reality of conquest. The longer answer involves the above, plus a lot of population demography and source analysis regarding the effects of "virgin soil" epidemics. Crosby's Ecological Imperialism is an excellent guide to that stuff. Even the very earliest European accounts of populations in the interior, like the expedition of de Soto, [1] are describing the aftermath of massive depopulation,…

  • ……读起来可能挺有意思,但充其量只是本科普书,往坏了说就是一派胡言(而且更偏向后者)。早在很久之前就有一位真正的历史学家写过关于这个主题的书:https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ecological_Imperialism_(book) 。Diamond 试图解答非常宏大的问题,而他的宏大解答在细节上漏洞百出;相比之下,Crosby 提出了类似的观点,但他从历史学家的视角切入,克制其论据范围,并切实进行了……

    …might be a good read but at best its pop science at worst complete bunk (close to the latter). There was a book about this topic written by an actual historian much earlier: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ecological_Imperialism_(book) and where Diamond tried to answer very broad questions and his broad answers break down in detail, Crosby makes similar points but approaches as a historian, limits his arguments and actually practices…

  • ……和秘鲁,当时秘鲁的城市化规模确实足以与欧洲媲美)。我个人非常反感的一点是,Alfred Crosby 早在 20 世纪 70 年代(《The Columbian Exchange》)和 80 年代(《Ecological Imperialism》)就写过这些东西,但 Diamond 却把所有名声都捞走了,只因为他成功把它包装得更通俗、迎合大众,实际上根本没添多少新货。

    …and Peru, which indeed did have urbanization on a scale to rival Europe). A personal pet peeve of mine is that Alfred Crosby wrote about this stuff in the 1970s (The Columbian Exchange) and the 1980s (Ecological Imperialism) but Diamond gets all the credit for it because he successfully repackaged it for more popular audiences, without adding much.

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