……对 Hacker News 的老读者来说毫无……——那为什么不读读关于旧技术为何以及如何得以留存的深层原因，以及维护它们的伦理和责任方面的书呢。具体来说：大卫·埃杰顿（David Edgerton）的《旧技术的震撼：1900年以来的技术与全球史》（The Shock of the Old: Technology and Global History Since 1900，2006年）；安德鲁·L·拉塞尔（Andrew L. Russell）和李·温塞尔（Lee Vinsel）的《创新迷思：对新事物的痴迷如何破坏了最重要的工作》（The Innovation Delusion，2020年）。你不会……
…whatsoever to regular readers of Hacker News —— why not read a book about the deeper reasons how and why old technologies persist, and the ethic and duty of maintaining them. Specifically: David Edgerton, The Shock of the Old: Technology and Global History Since 1900 (2006). Andrew L. Russell and Lee Vinsel, The Innovation Delusion: How Our Obsession with the New Has Disrupted the Work That Matters Most (2020). You won’t…
……挺有意思，而且如果你在乎的是全世界技术真实运转的样貌，而不是硅谷炒作机器描绘的那套东西，我强烈推荐文章中引用过的那本书：历史学家大卫·埃杰顿写的《旧技术的震撼：1900年以来的技术与全球史》（The Shock of the Old）。它彻底改变了我对技术以及人们如何使用技术的看法。
…interesting, and who cares about technology as it really is across the world rather than as it's portrayed by the Silicon Valley hype machine, I highly recommend the book cited at one point in the article: The Shock of the Old: Technology and Global History since 1900, by the historian David Edgerton. It completely changed how I think about technology and the ways people use it.
Very much this. People need to look at things from a "technology in use" perspective rather than just read press releases about the latest invention. David Edgerton's The Shock Of The Old[1] is a useful corrective to the gee-whizzery of pieces like the OP. (I'm re-reading it at the moment.) 1. https://www.amazon.com/Shock-Old-Technology-Global-History/d...
……特雷西·基德尔（Tracy Kidder）写的《新机器的灵魂》（The Soul of A New Machine）就是一个很好的例子。最后，还有一些非常优秀的综合性技术史著作，并不单单局限于计算机领域。比如大卫·埃杰顿那本极棒的《旧技术的震撼：1900年以来的技术与全球史》（论辩性强、颇具争议、通俗易懂，哪怕你不同意他的论点，它也很有可能会彻底改变你对技术的看法）。
…The Soul of A New Machine, by Tracy Kidder is a good example. Finally, there is some very good general history of technology that doesn't focus exclusively on computing. An example is the superb _The Shock of the Old: Technology and Global History Since 1900_ by David Edgerton (polemical, controversial, easy to read, and even if you disagree with his argument it will likely change how you see technology forever).
At the beginning of the 20th century something around 40% American cars was electric, same with 20% of the Berlin taxis. There's a wonderful book "The Shock of the Old" about the meandering ways innovation takes. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Shock_of_the_Old
Thanks for these! I have a copy of The Shock of The Old and I did find it thought-provoking. I had recently become aware of the ideas/discipline of discourse analysis[1] so it was more enlightening than it might have been to someone who wasn't really aware…
……对 Hacker News 的老读者来说毫无……——那为什么不读读关于旧技术为何以及如何得以留存的深层原因，以及维护它们的伦理和责任方面的书呢。具体来说：大卫·埃杰顿（David Edgerton）的《旧技术的震撼：1900年以来的技术与全球史》（The Shock of the Old: Technology and Global History Since 1900，2006年）；安德鲁·L·拉塞尔（Andrew L. Russell）和李·温塞尔（Lee Vinsel）的《创新迷思：对新事物的痴迷如何破坏了最重要的工作》（The Innovation Delusion，2020年）。你不会……
…whatsoever to regular readers of Hacker News —— why not read a book about the deeper reasons how and why old technologies persist, and the ethic and duty of maintaining them. Specifically: David Edgerton, The Shock of the Old: Technology and Global History Since 1900 (2006). Andrew L. Russell and Lee Vinsel, The Innovation Delusion: How Our Obsession with the New Has Disrupted the Work That Matters Most (2020). You won’t…
……挺有意思，而且如果你在乎的是全世界技术真实运转的样貌，而不是硅谷炒作机器描绘的那套东西，我强烈推荐文章中引用过的那本书：历史学家大卫·埃杰顿写的《旧技术的震撼：1900年以来的技术与全球史》（The Shock of the Old）。它彻底改变了我对技术以及人们如何使用技术的看法。
…interesting, and who cares about technology as it really is across the world rather than as it's portrayed by the Silicon Valley hype machine, I highly recommend the book cited at one point in the article: The Shock of the Old: Technology and Global History since 1900, by the historian David Edgerton. It completely changed how I think about technology and the ways people use it.
非常赞同这点。大家需要从“使用中的技术”视角来看待事物，而不是光看关于最新发明的新闻通稿。大卫·埃杰顿的《旧技术的震撼》[1]对于像楼主这种大惊小怪、盲目惊叹的文章来说，是一剂很管用的清醒剂。（我这会儿正在重读它。）1. https://www.amazon.com/Shock-Old-Technology-Global-History/d...
Very much this. People need to look at things from a "technology in use" perspective rather than just read press releases about the latest invention. David Edgerton's The Shock Of The Old[1] is a useful corrective to the gee-whizzery of pieces like the OP. (I'm re-reading it at the moment.) 1. https://www.amazon.com/Shock-Old-Technology-Global-History/d...
……特雷西·基德尔（Tracy Kidder）写的《新机器的灵魂》（The Soul of A New Machine）就是一个很好的例子。最后，还有一些非常优秀的综合性技术史著作，并不单单局限于计算机领域。比如大卫·埃杰顿那本极棒的《旧技术的震撼：1900年以来的技术与全球史》（论辩性强、颇具争议、通俗易懂，哪怕你不同意他的论点，它也很有可能会彻底改变你对技术的看法）。
…The Soul of A New Machine, by Tracy Kidder is a good example. Finally, there is some very good general history of technology that doesn't focus exclusively on computing. An example is the superb _The Shock of the Old: Technology and Global History Since 1900_ by David Edgerton (polemical, controversial, easy to read, and even if you disagree with his argument it will likely change how you see technology forever).
在20世纪初，大约40%的美国汽车是电动的，柏林的出租车也是如此，有20%是电动的。有本精彩的书叫《旧技术的震撼》，讲的就是创新所走过的那些曲折弯路。https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Shock_of_the_Old
At the beginning of the 20th century something around 40% American cars was electric, same with 20% of the Berlin taxis. There's a wonderful book "The Shock of the Old" about the meandering ways innovation takes. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Shock_of_the_Old
多谢分享这些！我手头有一本《旧技术的震撼》，确实觉得很发人深省。我最近刚接触到话语分析[1]的理念/学科，所以对于那些此前不太了解相关背景的人来说，这本书给我的启发可能要更大一些……
Thanks for these! I have a copy of The Shock of The Old and I did find it thought-provoking. I had recently become aware of the ideas/discipline of discourse analysis[1] so it was more enlightening than it might have been to someone who wasn't really aware…