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• GuiA · 2014 年

  …一本很棒的书，虽说有点年代感了。另外，计算机工业的起源与迷幻药/加州反文化运动时代之间，有着极其耐人寻味的协同效应。John Markoff 的《睡鼠说了什么》（What the Dormouse Said）[2] 是一本绝妙的读物，不过阅读时需要你对计算机历史已经有点基础认知。我从书里了解到，原来门洛帕克（Menlo Park）就曾做过关于 LSD 的科研，距离…也就几个街区。

  …great book, albeit slightly dated. There are also some extremely interesting synergies between the origins of the computer industry and the psychedelics/California counter culture era. John Markoff's "What the Dormouse Said" [2] is a fantastic read, although it requires knowing about computer history a little bit already. I learned from it that there was scientific research on LSD conducted in Menlo Park, a few blocks away…

• dlg · 2010 年

  …交互式计算。尤其是发明了超文本（hypertext）的 Ted Nelson 和 Andries van Dam，以及在 PARC 期间发明了桌面 GUI 和平板电脑雏形概念的 Alan Kay。想要了解那个时代的历史，我推荐去读 Markoff 的《睡鼠说了什么》（What the Dormouse Said）。（我把它视作计算机史上的“NLS 主线”。另一条主要的交互式主线则是从 PLATO 延伸到 Ray Ozzie/NOTES 再到 Mitch Kapor 等人。）

  …interactive computing. Notably Ted Nelson & Andries van Dam who created hypertext and Alan Kay who, while at PARC, invented the desktop GUI and the concepts for tablet computer. I recommend reading "What the Dormouse Said" by Markoff for a history of that era. (I consider this the "NLS thread" of computer history. The other major interactive thread is from PLATO to Ray Ozzie/NOTES to Mitch Kapor, et al.)

• cpach · 2015 年

  …接触过很多嬉皮士文化。在计算机极客与 60/70 年代反文化运动之间，实际上有着非常紧密的联系。如果你好奇的话，我推荐以下几本书：# John Markoff 的《睡鼠说了什么：六十年代反文化如何塑造了个人电脑产业》（What the Dormouse Said: How the Sixties Counterculture Shaped the Personal Computer Industry），一本很棒的书，里面写了好多迷人的人物。# 《从反文化到赛博文化：斯图尔特·布兰德、全球概览…》（From Counterculture to Cyberculture: Stewart Brand, the Whole Earth…）

  …had lots of exposure to hippie culture. There are actually quite strong connections between computer nerds and the counterculture of the 60s/70s. If you’re curious I recommend the following books: # What the Dormouse Said: How the Sixties Counterculture Shaped the Personal Computer Industry / John Markoff. A great book with many fascinating characters. # From Counterculture to Cyberculture: Stewart Brand, the Whole Earth…

• GuiA · 2013 年

  科技文化（尤其是硅谷）与 60 年代反文化的交织是一个极为迷人的课题。在我看来，关于这个话题最好的书就是 John Markoff 的《睡鼠说了什么》（What the Dormouse Said）[0]。这是一本神作，不过它并不是给小白写的计算机入门读物，要求读者已经对相关人物和历史事件有所了解。但是…

  The intersection of tech culture (and notably Silicon Valley) and 60s counterculture is a fascinating topic. The best book on the subject is, in my opinion, "What the Dormouse Said" by John Markoff [0]. It's a fantastic book, although it requires the reader to already have some knowledge of the people and historical events, as it is not meant to be a computer history primer. But…

• candu · 2016 年

  “我不是在抱怨，哦等等，好吧其实我就是在抱怨，看懂我玩啥梗了吧。”严肃点说：计算机领域与致幻剂反文化之间的千丝万缕早就被广泛记录了。（Markoff 的《睡鼠说了什么》就是这方面极好的读物。）而对量刑过重的讨论，也在熟悉 CFAA 量刑历史、Aaron Swartz 悲剧的“正派黑客”群体中引发了强烈共鸣，并且…

  "I'm not complaining oh wait yes I am see what I did there." More seriously: the many connections between computing and the psychedelic counterculture are well documented. (Markoff's "What the Dormouse Said" is an excellent read in this vein.) Discussions of disproportionate sentencing also strike a chord with "good hackers" who are aware of the history of CFAA sentencing, the Aaron Swartz debacle, and…

• labrador · 2022 年

  如果你对这个感兴趣，我推荐 John Markoff 的《睡鼠说了什么：六十年代反文化如何塑造了个人电脑产业》（What the Dormouse Said: How the Sixties Counterculture Shaped the Personal Computer Industry），以及 BBC 和 Adam Curtis 制作的纪录片《爱与慈悲的机器注视着的一切》（All Watched Over By Machines of Loving Grace）https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/What_the_Dormouse_Said…

  If this interests you I recommend "What the Dormouse Said: How the Sixties Counterculture Shaped the Personal Computer Industry" by John Markoff and "All Watched Over By Machines of Loving Grace" by the BBC and Adam Curtis https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/What_the_Dormouse_Said…

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