《如何杀死一条龙》封面

如何杀死一条龙

How to kill a dragon

Calvert Watkins · 初版 1995 年

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在How to Kill a Dragon一书中,Calvert Watkins追溯了印欧语系中诗歌公式化表达的传承谱系,从古赫梯语一直延伸至中世纪爱尔兰语。他运用比较语言学方法,重构了上溯至原始印欧共同语、结构相当繁复的传统诗歌程式。藉此,Watkins展现了印欧诗歌传统之久远与深厚。

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  • ……语系),但你说得太准了,直到1930年代左右,米尔曼和帕里才用当时的磁带录音机记录了东欧民间故事的口头创作,如果我没记错的话。卡尔·沃特金斯的《如何屠龙》(How To Kill A Dragon)在讨论印欧语系公式化表达方面堪称神作

    …language family), but you're dead on, it was only in the 1930s or so Milman and Parry documented oral composition of stories in Eastern Europe, with tape recorders of the time iirc The Cal Watkins book "How To Kill A Dragon" is superb for a discussion of formulae in Indo-European languages

  • 推荐看看卡尔弗特·沃特金斯的《如何屠龙》(1995):https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/How_to_Kill_a_Dragon

    Check out "How to Kill a Dragon" by Calvert Watkins (1995) https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/How_to_Kill_a_Dragon

  • ……要解开的谜题,机器并没有在字里行间藏下真正的谜题。读上面那首赞美诗时,无论是梵文还是英文,无论是我还是像贾米森或沃特金斯(写过关于印欧诗学的《如何屠龙》)这样的印度学学者,我们都在努力去想象原作者曾经想象过的东西。但在 LLM 这里,它只是一串听起来很酷的词序列罢了,可能毫无意义。

    …riddle to solve, no real riddle that the machine has hidden in the words. When reading the above hymn, whether in sanskrit or English, whether it's me or an indologist like Jamison or Watkins (who wrote "How to Kill a Dragon" on Indo-European poetics), we are trying to imagine the same thing the original writer had imagined. In case of LLM, it's just a sequence of words that sounds cool. It may have no meaning.

  • ……读这书的话,跳过那些陶器碎片的琐碎细节完全没关系。)一本略显年代久远但历久不衰的热门著作是《寻找印欧人:语言、考古与神话》(Mallory 1989)。别人跟我讲《如何屠龙:印欧诗学探微》(Watkins 1995)也极好,但我自己还没读过。《印欧语言与文化导论》(Fortson 2004)的第二章是一个非常棒的综述……

    …it, know that it's OK to skip the minutiae of pottery shards.) A slightly older but enduringly popular work is In Search of the Indo-Europeans: Language, Archaeology, and Myth (Mallory 1989). I'm told How to Kill a Dragon: Aspects of Indo-European Poetics (Watkins 1995) is very good too, but I have not read it myself. Chapter 2 of Indo-European Language and Culture: An Introduction (Fortson 2004) is a very good summary…

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