道德的谱系
Geneaology of Morals
Friedrich Nietzsche · 初版 2012 年
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这部由过去两个世纪最具影响力的思想家之一所撰写的伦理学代表作，探讨了主人/奴隶道德以及现代人的当下道德实践；人类内疚感与良心谴责的演变；以及禁欲主义理想在特定条件下如何维持人类生命。
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Geneaology of Morals
Friedrich Nietzsche · 初版 2012 年
这部由过去两个世纪最具影响力的思想家之一所撰写的伦理学代表作，探讨了主人/奴隶道德以及现代人的当下道德实践；人类内疚感与良心谴责的演变；以及禁欲主义理想在特定条件下如何维持人类生命。
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……不过我更喜欢前者）。然后你可以顺着时间往后读，先是黑格尔的《精神现象学》，接着当然是马克思的《资本论》第一卷。之后，我觉得你最好读读尼采的《论道德的谱系》和/或《查拉图斯特拉如是说》，再往后你真的该去读弗洛伊德，起码得看《梦的解析》，以及海德格尔的《艺术作品的本源》或者《关于技术的追问》……
…though I prefer the former). Then you can start reading forward, Hegel's Phenomenology of Spirit, then, of course, Marx's Capital, vol 1. Then from there, I think you would do well to read Nietzsche's Geneaology of Morals and/or Thus Spoke Zarathustra, and after that really you should read Freud, at the very least the Interpretation of Dreams, and Heidegger, either the Origin of the Work of Art or The Question Concerning…
编出这种鬼话未免有点离谱。你是不是把他跟图卢兹-罗特列克搞混了？后者是以道德操守而不是道德智慧闻名的。尼采的《论道德的谱系》可以说是上个世纪——甚至可能是那一千年来——关于基督教道德最重要的一部专著了。
Kinda weird to make stuff up like that. Maybe you're confusing him with Toulouse-Lautrec, known for moral strength rather than moral intellect? Nietzsche's The Geneaology of Morals is arguably the most important treatise on christian morality in the previous century, possibly that millenium.
……在当下。如果你有兴趣读他的书，可以先从《偶像的黄昏》和《善恶的彼岸》入门。如果你喜欢这两本，就可以进一步深入他其他的作品，比如《反基督》《论道德的谱系》《人性的，太人性的》以及《查拉图斯特拉如是说》。
…today. If you're interested in reading him, start with Twilight of the Idols and Beyond Good and Evil. If you like those two then you can delve into some of his other work such as the Antichrist, On the Geneaology of Morals, Human, All Too Human, and Thus Spoke Zarathustra
……“别说任何可能被稍微曲解为抨击他人人品的言论”我感觉自己是吃错药犯迷糊了吗？这完全就是尼采在《道德的谱系》里谈到的那种事：这个“社区”里的人自称超脱于下流的政治斗争、崇尚平等主义，可一旦有人指出任何稍微有悖于这种形象的事情，就会被封口或喝止（例如……
…don't say anything that could in the slightest be misinterpreted as impugning someone's character" i feel like i'm taking crazy pills? this is exactly the kind of thing that Nietzsche talked about in geneaology of morals: people in this "community" claim to be above petty politics and egalitarian but as soon as anyone points out anything that even remotely contradicts that image they get silenced or shouted down (e.g.…
……很难克服；也许人类学作为一个学科本身就存在根本缺陷。我没读过戴蒙德的书，但我能理解，如果你是一个自由主义学者，看到一本几乎类似尼采《道德的谱系》那样的著作，直截了当地说强者总是在纯粹偶然的条件下征服弱者，这会让人感到惊悚，因为作为一个自由主义者，你真诚地相信人的主体性和社会正义……
…difficult to overcome; perhaps anthropology as a field is fundamentally flawed. I haven't read Diamond, but I could understand, if you're a liberal academic and you see a text, almost like Nietzsche's Geneaology of Morals, that just says that the strong always conquer the weak because of totally contingent conditions, it will seem horrifying because, as a liberal, you genuinely believe in personal agency and social justice…
>如果你有兴趣读他的书，可以先从《偶像的黄昏》和《善恶的彼岸》入门。如果你喜欢这两本，就可以进一步深入他其他的作品，比如《反基督》《论道德的谱系》《人性的，太人性的》以及《查拉图斯特拉如是说》 我该读哪个版本？我想忠实于早期诠释他的思想家（免得被像史蒂芬·平克这样贬低他的思想家带偏）……
>If you're interested in reading him, start with Twilight of the Idols and Beyond Good and Evil. If you like those two then you can delve into some of his other work such as the Antichrist, On the Geneaology of Morals, Human, All Too Human, and Thus Spoke Zarathustra What edition should I read? So I stayed true to the early thinkers that interpreted him (to not be fooled by thinkers like Steven Pinker who trash him).…