《圣徒的营地》封面

圣徒的营地

Camp of the Saints

Jean Raspail、Norman R. Shapiro · 初版 1973 年

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为什么值得读

  • 被读者视作极具预见性的反乌托邦预言
  • 剖析西方社会无力自卫背后的精神演变

Hacker News 上怎么说

  • …对此一无所知,不像(比如)石油峰值论(Peak Oil)。虽然它没有像《1984》或《美丽新世界》(Brave New World)等其他反乌托邦小说那样出名,但这本小说最终可能会被证明是最具预言性的:https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Camp_of_the_Saints

    …nothing about it, unlike (for example) Peak Oil. Though not as famous as other dystopian novels like 1984 or Brave New World, this might yet prove to be the most prophetic: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Camp_of_the_Saints

  • …移民,你也可以称之为人口替换或人口泛滥。1973年有一部关于这个问题的杰出著作,是用法文写的,最近在匈牙利出版。它叫《圣徒营》(The Camp of the Saints [Le Camp des Saints]),我向任何想了解西方无力自卫背后的精神演变的人推荐它。https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Camp_of_the_Saints…

    …migration, which you could call population replacement or inundation. There is an outstanding 1973 book on this issue which was written in French, and recently published in Hungary. It is called “The Camp of the Saints” [Le Camp des Saints], and I recommend it to anyone who wants to understand the spiritual developments underlying the West’s inability to defend itself. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Camp_of_the_Saints…

  • 我刚才查了纽约公共图书馆(NYPL)的目录,发现《特纳日记》(The Turner Diaries)、《圣徒营》(Camp of the Saints)和《我的奋斗》(Mein Kampf)都能借到。这只是三个例子,但我很难想象如果连这些都可以,他们还会拒绝上架什么书。你心里是不是有某本具体的书,觉得“公园坡进步派”(Park Slope progressives)…

    I just checked the NYPL catalog and found The Turner Diaries, Camp of the Saints and Mein Kampf to be available. Just three examples, but I find it hard to imagine what else they’d refuse to carry if those are fine. Is there a particular book you have in mind that “Park Slope progressives”…

  • 让·拉斯拜尔的《圣徒营》(Camp of the Saints),或者杰里德·泰勒的《白人认同》(White Identity),从来进不了这些禁书清单。它们根本不需要被正式“查禁”——图书馆直接不提供借阅就行了,这样他们就能掌控信息,而无需…

    Camp of the Saints by Jean Raspail, or White Identity by Jared Taylor, never make these banned book lists. They don't have to be "banned" - libraries simply make them unavailable, so they get to control information, without…

  • 我觉得这也包括学校图书馆,虽然 NPR 和作为消息源的 ALA(美国图书馆协会)文章都没提这茬。不管怎样,我一直挺纳闷,Jean Raspail 的《Camp of the Saints》或者 Jared Taylor 的《White Identity》怎么就从没上过榜。我猜它们大概是广受认可、毫无争议吧?

    I think this includes school libraries, though neither the NPR nor the ALA article it sources mention that. Regardless, I'm always surprised how Camp of the Saints by Jean Raspail, or White Identity by Jared Taylor, never make the list. I guess they're just widely accepted and non-controversial?

  • …不到10美元。此外,它们经常是高中或大学文学课的必读书目。对比做一个思想实验:如果书单是由以下几本组成的呢?- 《圣徒营》(The Camp of the Saints)- 《批判的文化》(Culture of Critique)- 《特纳日记》(The Turner Diaries)。在第一本书最近重印之前(多亏了斯特赖桑德效应 The Streisand Effect,它成了亚马逊的畅销书之一),这些书几乎都不可能…

    …for under $10. Further, they are often assigned reading in high school or university literature classes. A thought experiment by comparison: what if the collection consisted of the following? - The Camp of the Saints - Culture of Critique - The Turner Diaries Until a recent reprint of the first title (which thanks to The Streisand Effect was one of the top sellers on Amazon), these were all almost impossible to…

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