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• slyall · 2024 年

  这听起来很像格雷厄姆·罗布（Graham Robb）的《发现法国》（The Discovery of France）。推荐

  This sounds similar to "The Discovery of France" by Graham Robb. Recommend

• Kuiper · 2018 年

  ……比如比利牛斯山脉和阿尔卑斯山，人们在冬天基本上处于“冬眠”状态：他们足不出户，靠储存的粮食度日，并尽量消耗最少的能量。引用格雷厄姆·罗布在《发现法国》中的话：“1844 年一份关于涅夫勒省的官方报告这样描述勃艮第的日工：‘在对工具进行了必要的检修之后，这些体格健壮的男人现在将整天躺在床上，挤在他们的……’

  …like the Pyrenees and the Alps, people essentially "hibernated" during the winter: they stayed indoors, lived off their food stores, and expended as little energy as possible. Citing Graham Robb's The Discovery of France: 'An official report on the Nièvre in 1844 described Burgundian day-laborers thusly: '“After making the necessary repairs to their tools, these vigorous men will now spend their days in bed, packing their…

• surlyadopter · 2020 年

  ……挺有意思的假说，尽管乍一看明显是错的。很高兴这篇文章比标题更有深度。这让我想起了格雷厄姆·罗布在《发现法国》一书里提到的一个趣闻。他提到前工业时代的农民（在某些极其偏远的农村地区）也是以类似的方式生活的。在冬季有一段时间天气过于恶劣，无法进行任何生产性劳动时，……

  …interesting hypothesis, even though on first blush it seems obviously wrong. I'm glad the article was more nuanced than the headline. This reminded me of an interesting tidbit from Graham Robb's book 'The Discovery of France'. He mentions the pre-industrial peasantry (in some extremely rural areas) living in a similar manner. During the winter when there were stretches of time where it was too harsh to do any productive work,…

• surlyadopter · 2020 年

  我在格雷厄姆·罗布的《发现法国》里读到过同样的“事实”*。*加引号是因为我只见过这么一处出处

  I read the same "fact"* in Graham Robb's 'The Discovery of France". *scare quotes because I've only seen one reference

• nyolfen · 2018 年

  ……治理还是进化！> 有了这么多鸿沟，“美国”或“法国”文化又何在呢？这种文化认同需要数百年才能凝聚成型——法国直到 1900 年代才真正普及讲法语（正如《发现法国》所记述的那样），而汉地中国仍在消化并同化其众多的少数民族和边疆地区。相比之下，美国在一开始自然要容易得多，因为它最初的奠基人口规模较小，直接消灭……就行了

  …governance or evolution! > With enough of these gaps, where is "American" or "French" culture? Such cultural identities take centuries to coalesce - France did not speak French until the 1900s (as The Discovery of France recounts), and Han China is still digesting & assimilating its many minorities & outlying regions. America, of course, had it easy in starting with a small founder population which could just exterminate…

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