《圣杯与剑》封面

圣杯与剑

The chalice and the blade

Riane Tennenhaus Eisler · 初版 1987 年

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“Eisler 认为,在史前时期,男女共同生活在注重哺育与关怀的平等社群中;随着男性统治的确立,女性价值观让位于等级制度、侵略、权力和服从等教条。作为一名未来学家,Eisler 提出应通过重拾更具人性关怀的价值观来构建全新社会。”——《Library journal》(6/1/85)。

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  • ……同样的部落,同样的下场。今天才知道(TIL),隐私之战早在50多年前就已经打过,而且败了。https://www.thelastarchive.com —— 我第一次接触到“虚假信息”(misinformation)这个概念,是在 Riane Eisler 的《圣杯与剑》(The Chalice and the Blade)里 https://www.amazon.com/Chalice-Blade-Our-History-Future/dp/0.... Eisler 解释了胜利者不仅书写历史,还会主动改写历史。积极寻找并彻底抹杀任何与之相反的叙事。……

    …same tribes, same consequences. TIL the privacy battle was fought, and lost, 50+ years ago. https://www.thelastarchive.com -- My first exposure to the idea of "misinformation" was Raine Eisler's "The Chalice and the Blade" https://www.amazon.com/Chalice-Blade-Our-History-Future/dp/0.... Eisler explains how victors didn't just write history, they actively rewrote it. Actively seeking out and obliterating any contrary narratives.…

  • ……建立在参与型经济基础上的社会,被行为模式基于统治型的组织彻底摧毁了。这一点在 Riane Eisler 1987 年的开创性著作《圣杯与剑》中得到了充分记录,并且在施特劳斯-豪的四转向理论等学说中也有很好的描述。关于这方面的文献汗牛充栋。我认为人们在面对这种……时会感到挫败。

    …societies that were built on participatory economies were completely destroyed by organizations that behaved based on domination patterns. This is well documented in Rianne Eisler’s seminal 1987 book “the chalice and the blade” and is also well described by the Strauss-Howe theory of the four turnings, etc. there’s plenty of documentation on this. I think what frustrates people is when they’re confronted with this type of…

  • >最近,Riane Eisler 在她重构历史的重要著作《圣杯与剑》中,提出了一个核心观点:社会的“伙伴关系”模式一直面临着“统治者”社会组织形式的竞争与压迫。后者具有等级森严、家长制、唯物主义……的特征。

    >Recently Riane Eisler in her important revisioning of history, The Chalice and the Blade, has advanced the important notion of “partnership” models of society being in competition and oppressed by “dominator” forms of social organization. These latter are hierarchical, paternalistic, materialistic,…

  • 说个暴论(Unpopular opinion):艰难的岁月还会重来,充满阳刚之气的男人也会重新吃香。统治者社会与伙伴关系社会这两个子群体之间一直存在博弈(这是 Riane Eisler 在《圣杯与剑》中作出的区分),人们很容易天真地将其归为父权-男性气质与母权-女性气质的对立。过去几十年资源的极大丰富,让传统的、阳刚且富有竞争性的男人显得过时了……

    Unpopular opinion: Hard times will come again, and masculine men will again become sexy. There is a constant battle between dominator/partnership societal subgroups (a distinction by Riane Eisler in Chalice and the Blade) which one naively could distinguish as patriarchal-masculine / matriarchal-feminine. The abundance of resources the past decades has rendered the traditional, masculine and competitive men obsolete,…

  • Eisler 在《圣杯与剑》中提出了那个框架——历史学界过去常常假设,非父权制社会必然是母权制社会。但她将其重新定义为“统治者”社会与“合作者”社会的对立。换句话说,争夺……

    Eisler brings up that frame in "The Chalice and the Blade" -- it was often assumed in historical scholarship that non-patriarchial societies were matriarchial. Instead, she reframes it as "dominator" vs. "cooperator" societies. In other words, wrestling over…

  • ……身后跟着一帮心腹随从……肆意践踏前人留下的一切残迹。我第一次接触到这个概念,是看到《圣杯与剑》(Riane Eisler 著)中描述的政权更迭后的“重构神话”(re-mything)过程。昨天的神明、造物神话、债务账本显然错得离谱。只要能力所及,就去篡改、颠覆、同化所有的叙事和权力杠杆。彻底抹杀……

    …behind them a retinue of trusted aides ... shitting on the remnants of whatever came before them My first exposure to that idea was the process of re-mything after a regime change, as described in The Chalice and the Blade (Riane Eisler). Yesterday's godhead, deity, creation myth, ledger of debts was obviously deeply wrong. Appropriate, subvert, coopt, as able, all the narratives and levers of power. Utterly obliterate…

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