反对谷物
Against the Grain
James C. Scott · 初版 2017 年
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为什么值得读
- 打破两河流域早期文明的固有历史假定
- 以充分权威文献替代空泛断言
- 论证定居农耕发展过程极为缓慢而艰难
本书汇集了关于早期文明起源的各种令人意外的最新证据，颠覆了传统的历史叙事。人类为何会放弃狩猎采集，转而走向依赖牲畜与谷物、并由现代国家雏形所统治的定居社区？大多数人认为，动植物的驯化最终使人类得以定居下来，建立农业村庄、城镇和国家，从而孕育了文明、法律、公共秩序以及一种看似安全的生活方式。然而，考古学和历史学的证据却对此提出了挑
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如果想看基于证据讲述人类已知最早的定居农耕文明，我强烈推荐 James Scott 的《Against the grain》https://www.amazon.com/Against-Grain-History-Earliest-States... 目前的所有证据都表明，把基于农业的城邦一路“冷启动”成所谓的“真正文明”，其实困难重重。如果你养殖了…
For evidence based narrative of the oldest known state like agricultural cultures I can't recommend enough James Scott's "Against the grain" https://www.amazon.com/Against-Grain-History-Earliest-States... All evidence at this time points that agriculture based city states were challenging to boot into a "proper civilization". If you raised…
…在整部人类历史上反复上演，大概始于 1.1 万年前。（话说回来，国家究竟为何会形成是一个很有意思的课题；有理由相信这需要相当严苛少见的前提条件。James Scott 的《Against the Grain》一书就试图探讨这个问题。）另一方面，正如视频中所描述的，民族国家是一种拥有集体认同的国家，这种认同与共同的语言、“种族”和一套边界绑定在一起，通常…
…repeatedly through human history, since about ~11,000 years ago. (That said, it's an interesting question why exactly states formed; there's some reason to think it required rather unusual conditions. The book Against the Grain by James Scott tries to tackle this topic.) On the other hand, as the video describes it, a nation state is a state with a collective identity tied to a shared language, "race", and set of borders, usually…
…有闲暇时光的人根本就不是同一帮人。看看有史以来的每一个农耕社会……不管哪一个，它的经济阶层分化都能印证这点。我强烈建议读读 James C Scott 的《Against the Grain》[0]。他的核心论点是，农业的引入其实非常缓慢，最初只是半定居狩猎采集社会的一部分。只有当自然环境被消耗殆尽、农耕成为唯一的生存途径时…
…with leisure time are not the same people. You can see this by looking at the economic stratification for every single agricultural society... ever? I would highly recommend reading James C Scott's 'Against the Grain' [0]. His thesis is that agriculture came in quite slowly, as part of a semi-sedentary hunter-gatherer society. It was only once the natural environment was depleted and agriculture became the only option…
…所有的断言都缺乏扎实的引用，通篇充斥着“大揭秘”式的春秋笔法，总让我觉得作者在遮掩什么。如果你想读《人类简史》那类题材又不想忍受这些毛病，不妨试试 James C. Scott 写的《Against the Grain》。讲的内容大同小异，但引用的知名期刊和学术文献要多得多。
…All assertions were made with minimum citation, and couched in "relevatory" language that always makes me feel that the author is hiding something. If you want Sapiens but without these problems, try "Against the Grain" by James C. Scott. Covers much of the same material, but with many more citations from reputed journals and academics.
有一本探讨该主题的神作，就是 James C. Scott 写的《Against the Grain: A Deep History of the Earliest States》。它打破了关于早期历史（尤其是美索不达米亚地区）的很多潜意识预设。论证极具说服力，强烈推荐。我听的是…
There is a great book which touches on this subject, Against the Grain: A Deep History of the Earliest States, by James C. Scott. It overturns many of the latent assumptions about early history, particularly in Mesopotamia. It's well argued, I recommend it. I listened to…
…字母表），而且网上能查到很多资料：https://sites.utexas.edu/dsb/tokens/the-evolution-of-writing... 文字的根源似乎在于计数/记账刻符，也就是会计核算。另一本好书是 James Scott 的《Against the Grain》，书中详细描述了记账与文字是如何与国家机器同步演进的。
…alphabet), and much is available online: https://sites.utexas.edu/dsb/tokens/the-evolution-of-writing... The roots of writing seems to be in counting/tallying marks, i.e. accounting. Another great book, "Against the Grain" by James Scott, describes how both tallying and writing developed hand-in-hand with the state.