《汉语语言:事实与幻想》封面

汉语语言:事实与幻想

The Chinese Language: Fact and Fantasy

John DeFrancis · 初版 1986 年

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  • ……脱胎于他们的母语),他们在扫盲学习过程中把这门语言当成了第二语言。针对你提出的观点的详细反驳,可以参考 http://www.amazon.com/Chinese-Language-Fantasy-John-DeFranci...(顺便说一句,我也能看懂一点现代日文,正如你准确指出的那样,现代日文书写清清楚楚地表明了日语和汉语完全是两种截然不同的语言。……

    …from their native languages), which they acquired as a second language while learning literacy. The full details to respond to the point of view you have put forth can be found in http://www.amazon.com/Chinese-Language-Fantasy-John-DeFranci... (P.S. I can read some current Japanese too, and of course current Japanese writing shows plainly that Japanese is a very different language from Chinese, as you correctly note.…

  • ……代表的是“语音”(SPEECH),而不是观念或抽象概念,并且其表音方式是针对某一种特定的汉语(Sinitic)方言/语言而言的。关于这一点的详尽阐述,可以参阅已故学者傅汉思(John DeFrancis)的《汉字文化圈:事实与幻想》(The Chinese Language: Fact and Fantasy)[1] 或《可见的语音:文字系统的多元同一性》(Visible Speech: The Diverse Oneness of Writing Systems)[2],亦或是 J. Marshall Unger 的《表意文字:汉字与脱离肉身的意义神话》(Ideogram: Chinese Characters and the Myth of Disembodied Meaning)[3]。这本……

    …represent SPEECH (not ideas or abstract concepts) and do so in a way that is specific to the particular Chinese (Sinitic) language that one speaks. The long story about this can be found in the books The Chinese Language: Fact and Fantasy[1] or Visible Speech: The Diverse Oneness of Writing Systems[2] by the late John DeFrancis or the book Ideogram: Chinese Characters and the Myth of Disembodied Meaning[3] by J. Marshall Unger. The book…

  • ……相比于拼音字母系统,这种文字设计得很糟糕,甚至严重影响了识字率。参考 Moser 的文章 http://www.pinyin.info/readings/texts/moser.html,以及傅汉思的《汉字文化圈:事实与幻想》(The Chinese Language: Fact and Fantasy),链接在 http://www.pinyin.info/readings/chinese_language.html

    …writing is badly designed compared to alphabetic systems, to the point where there are serious effects on the literacy rate. See Moser at http://www.pinyin.info/readings/texts/moser.html and DeFrancis' The Chinese Language: Fact and Fantasy, linked from http://www.pinyin.info/readings/chinese_language.html

  • ……能够很好地分辨声调(虽然我自己发出来还是不太准!)。遗憾的是,关于中文存在大量的错误认知。参考文献中提到的一本好书是傅汉思(John DeFrancis)写的《汉字文化圈:事实与幻想》(The Chinese Language: Fact and Fantasy)。

    …to pick out the tones well (although I still can't reproduce them as acurately!). Unfortunately there is a lot of misinformation surrounding Chinese. A good book mentioned in the bibliography is The Chinese Language: Fact and Fantasy by John DeFrancis.

  • ……代表的是“语音”(SPEECH),而不是观念或抽象概念,并且其表音方式是针对某一种特定的汉语(Sinitic)方言/语言而言的。关于这一点的详尽阐述,可以参阅已故学者傅汉思(John DeFrancis)的《汉字文化圈:事实与幻想》(The Chinese Language: Fact and Fantasy)[1] 或《可见的语音:文字系统的多元同一性》(Visible Speech: The Diverse Oneness of Writing Systems)[2],亦或是 J. Marshall Unger 的《表意文字:汉字与脱离肉身的意义神话》(Ideogram: Chinese Characters and the Myth of Disembodied Meaning)[3]。这本……

    …represent SPEECH (not ideas or abstract concepts) and do so in a way that is specific to the particular Chinese (Sinitic) language that one speaks. The long story about this can be found in the books The Chinese Language: Fact and Fantasy[1] or Visible Speech: The Diverse Oneness of Writing Systems[2] by the late John DeFrancis or the book Ideogram: Chinese Characters and the Myth of Disembodied Meaning[3] by J. Marshall Unger. The book…

  • ……我们难道就跟自己的文化传统断绝了吗?嗯,多少有一点,但还有译本啊;如果你真感兴趣,照样可以去学,参见 a)。顺便提供一些关于这些问题的好资源:* 《汉字文化圈:事实与幻想》(The Chinese Language: Fact and Fantasy),傅汉思(John DeFrancis)著 * 《亚洲正字法的困境》(Asia's Orthographic Dilemma),Wm. C. Hannas 著,节选见 http://www.pinyin.info/readings/orthographic.html * Pinyin Info,http://www.pinyin.info/ * Language Log,http://languagelog.ldc.upenn.edu/nll/……

    …Are we cut off of our cultural heritage? Well, somewhat, but there are translations, and if you're really into it, you can still go and learn it, see a). Great resources on these issues, btw: * "The Chinese Language: Fact and Fantasy", John DeFrancis * "Asia's Orthographic Dilemma", Wm. C. Hannas, extract available here http://www.pinyin.info/readings/orthographic.html * Pinyin Info, http://www.pinyin.info/ * Language Log, http://languagelog.ldc.upenn.edu/nll/…

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