反叛的卖点
The rebel sell
Heath, Joseph · 初版 2004 年
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“在这部视野广阔且见解敏锐的文化批评著作中，Joseph Heath 与 Andrew Potter 打破了激进政治、经济和文化思维的核心神话。counterculture 的理念——即存在一个独立于包围我们的消费主导世界之外的世界——弥漫在从反全球化运动到女性主义和环保主义的方方面面。而他们指出，嘲弄体制或试图‘卡死’体制以使其崩溃的想法，不仅适得其反，反而助长了激进分子所反对的消费社会的形成。”“在一场将流行文化……”
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也可以看看 Joseph Heath 和 Andrew Potter 写的《The Rebel Sell》。同类型里又一本很棒的读物 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Rebel_Sell。
Also check out The Rebel sell by Joseph Health and Andrew Potter. Another great read in the same vein https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Rebel_Sell.
……阅读到底意味着什么；到底该拿书来做什么；它们是如何运转、流传并影响人们的；以及为什么它们哪怕经常又长又沉闷、甚至枯燥乏味，却依然让人欲罢不能。在《The Rebel Sell》——这本我多年后仍在不断回味和引用的书中，作者提出了一个发人深省的论调：与大多数游客、背包客和爱好者的自我设想相反……
…it is to be reading; what to actually do with books; how they function and circulate and affect people; and why they are, despite often being too long and dreary and just boring, irresistible. In "The Rebel Sell," another one of those books that I continue to think about and reference many years later, the authors make the provoking claim that, contrary to the self-images of most tourists, backpackers, and lovers…
如果你在聊商业类书籍，可以试试《The Rebel Sell》（副标题是“反文化如何演变成了消费文化”）。还有一本我因为讲故事精彩而特别喜欢的书是《Boo Hoo》（“1.35亿美元，18个月……一个从概念走向灾难的 dot.com 故事”）。
If you're talking business books try The Rebel Sell "How the counter culture became the consumer culture". and I book I love for it's story telling is Boo Hoo "$135 million. 18 months... a dot.com story from concept to catastrophe".
>日本从来没有像美国那样把反文化做到主流化。“主流反文化”这个说法确实挺逗的。这很大程度上就是问题所在，有一本好书叫《The Rebel Sell》[1]，讲的就是美国的反文化非但不是对立面，反而是美国商业文化的真正驱动力。《饥饿游戏》根本没有真正传达任何颠覆性的信息，要成为一个……
>Japan never really did counter-culture as mainstream as the US does. "Mainstream counter-culture" is certainly a funny turn of phrase. That's largely the problem with it, there's a great book, The Rebel Sell[1], about how American counter-culture isn't the opposite, but the actual driver of American commercial culture. The Hunger Games is not authentically creating any kind of subversive message, to be a…
……在我的经验里，正如你所说，看重体验的人往往确实瞧不起消费主义。----- EDIT：我找到那条评论了，值得重温一遍 :) https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=10725521 在《The Rebel Sell》——又一本我多年后仍时常回味和引用的书中，作者提出了一个发人深省的论调：与大多数游客、背包客和爱好者的自我设想截然相反……
…my experience, as yours, people who value experiences do tend to look down on consumerism. ----- EDIT: I found the comment, a good re-read :) https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=10725521 In "The Rebel Sell," another one of those books that I continue to think about and reference many years later, the authors make the provoking claim that, contrary to the self-images of most tourists, backpackers, and lovers…
Potter 是《The Rebel Sell》的合著者（与 Joseph Heath 合作），他们在书中论证道：时髦反文化对竞争性大众消费文化的排斥，其本身就是推动这种文化的核心动力，它把时尚和生活方式变成了定位性商品（positional goods），并强化了……
Potter was co-author (with Joseph Heath) of The Rebel Sell, in which they argued that the hip counter-culture rejection of competitive mass consumer culture is itself a primary driver of that culture, setting up fashion and lifestyle as positional goods and enforcing…