证明历史
Proving history
Richard Carrier · 初版 2012 年
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“在这部对 New Testament 学术研究及整个历史学挑战的深入探讨中，历史学家 Richard C. Carrier 提出了 Bayes's Theorem 作为确立可靠历史标准的解决方案”——出版方简介。
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Proving history
Richard Carrier · 初版 2012 年
“在这部对 New Testament 学术研究及整个历史学挑战的深入探讨中，历史学家 Richard C. Carrier 提出了 Bayes's Theorem 作为确立可靠历史标准的解决方案”——出版方简介。
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整个领域都深陷在根本行不通的方法论里。理查德·卡里尔（Richard Carrier）的《论耶稣的历史真实性》（On the Historicity of Jesus）和《证明历史》（Proving History）提供了一个反向视角。这可没有很多人想的那么容易被驳倒。
The whole field is mired in methods that don't work. A counterpoint is the book 'On the Historicity of Jesus' and 'Proving History' by Richard Carrier. It's not as easy to dismiss as many suppose.
论文我不清楚，不过这里有本书：https://www.amazon.com/Proving-History-Bayess-Theorem-Histor...
Don't know about a paper, but here's a book: https://www.amazon.com/Proving-History-Bayess-Theorem-Histor...
……都是人类造出来的 [1]。基督教只不过是运气好，在罗马帝国崩溃造成教会趁虚而入的权力真空时，恰好处于正确的时间和地点罢了。去读读卡里尔的《证明历史：贝叶斯定理与探寻历史上的耶稣》（Proving History: Bayes's Theorem and the Quest for the Historical Jesus），然后再回来聊。--- [1] 注：我绝无贬低或轻视神话价值的意思。但重要的是不能……
…produced by humans [1]. Christianity just happened to get a boost by being in the right place at the right time when Rome fell and created a power vacuum for the church to step in to. Read Carrier's "Proving History: Bayes's Theorem and the Quest for the Historical Jesus" and then come back and we can talk. --- [1] Note: I in no way mean to denigrate or disparage the value of mythology. But it is important not…
这整场讨论让我想起了理查德·卡里尔的书《证明历史》，他在书里用贝叶斯定理来“证明”耶稣根本不存在。但从另一面来看，还有个威廉·莱恩·克雷格（William Lane Craig），他却用它来“证明”耶稣复活了！我承认贝叶斯定理确实有相关性……
This entire discussion reminds me of Richard Carrier's book Proving History, where he uses Bayes Theorem to "prove" Jesus didn't exist. On the other hand, there's also William Lane Craig, who uses it to "prove" that Jesus was resurrected! I agree that Bayes Theorem is relevant…
……死后生命？我质疑了你关于威廉·莱恩·克雷格是个神棍的说法，你就转移话题了？我没时间一一回应你的质疑。我就留几条参考资料吧。[2] > 去读读卡里尔的《证明历史：贝叶斯定理与探寻历史上的耶稣》，然后再回来聊。 我可能真会去读。多谢。既然我们聊到了证据这个话题，我留下这么几点想法。科学……
…afterlife? I challenged your claim that William Lan Craig is a charlatan and you change the topic? I don't have time to fully answer your challenges. I'll just leave some references. [2] > Read Carrier's "Proving History: Bayes's Theorem and the Quest for the Historical Jesus" and then come back and we can talk. I may just do that. Thanks. While we're on the subject of evidence, I will leave with these thoughts. Science…