鸿：三代中国女人的故事

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• mikkergp · 2022 年

  > The Cultural Revolution: A people's history 没读过，你读过张戎（Jung Chang）的《野天鹅：中国的三位女儿》（Wild Swans: Three Daughters of China）或者《毛泽东传》吗？也是关于这个题材的极好书籍，我去拜读一下你推荐的。不过不太确定这跟我发的贴子有什么关系。也许“反智”（anti-intellectual）这个词是…

  > The Cultural Revolution: A people's history Never read it, have you read "Wild Swans: Three Daughters of China" or "Mao?" by Jung Chang? Great books on the subject as well, I'll check yours out. Not sure what this has to do with my post though. Maybe the term 'anti-intellectual' was…

• miked · 2009 年

  …噩梦。感兴趣的朋友，我推荐畅销书《毛泽东：鲜为人知的故事》（Mao: The Unknown Story），作者是张戎（Jung Chang）和历史学者乔·哈利戴（Jon Halliday），历时十年潜心研究的成果。张戎早期的畅销书《野天鹅》（Wild Swans）也极具可读性。根据我和妻子以及她朋友们（年纪和出身背景都跟张戎差不多）的多次交流，我可以保证它大体上的真实性。为篇幅太长道个歉（除了对 kragen）…

  …nightmares. For those interested, I recommend the bestselling book _Mao: The Unknown Story_ by Jung Chang and historian Jon Halliday, a result of a decade of intense research. Chang's earlier bestseller _Wild Swans_ is also a great read. Based on many discussions with my wife and her friends (all about Chang's age and social class), I can vouch for its general validity. My apologies (except to kragen) for the long…

• discreteevent · 2016 年

  《野天鹅》（Wild Swans，写于挺久以前了）这本书非常深刻地展现了一个年轻人在这个疯人院里长大是种怎样的体验。

  The book "Wild Swans" (written a good while ago) gives a very good insight into what it was like for a young person to grow up in this madhouse.

• buth_lika · 2018 年

  …寺庙。短短几年内，无数古建筑、文物、古董、书籍和字画被红卫兵捣毁。听起来可真不怎么样。我可以推荐一本书：https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wild_Swans > 可能需要唯物主义洗脑（“再教育”）来逆转宗教洗脑。他们甚至连“唯物主义”洗脑（天知道那到底算个啥）都没轮上，他们面对的是极权主义的…

  …temples. In a few years, countless ancient buildings, artifacts, antiques, books, and paintings were destroyed by Red Guards. Doesn't sound so great. A book I can recommend is https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wild_Swans > it might take materialist brainwashing ('re-education') to reverse religious brainwashing. They're not even getting "materialist" brainwashing, whatever that would even be, they're getting totalitarian…

• ocfnash · 2025 年

  感谢分享这些回忆。如果你对张戎的书《野天鹅》（Wild Swans）有什么看法，我很想听听。我一两年前读了这本书，学到了很多，但我也了解到很多在中国长大的人对作者的叙述有异议。如果你能发表些见解，我将感激不…

  Thank you for sharing these memories. I'd be very interested to hear any thoughts you might have about Jung Chang's book "Wild Swans". I read this book a year or two ago and learned a lot from it, but I also learned that many people who grew up in China take issue with the author's account. I'd be grateful for any remarks you may…

• ggm · 2023 年

  …中国的人口结构花了数十年才走上正轨，到了该上学、上大学的年纪，同龄群体的规模你是根本掩盖不住的。有些估计（张戎，《野天鹅》）太夸张了。政府肯定是尽量往小了报。我对美国和俄罗斯的有效反推计算会非常感兴趣，因为我觉得超额死亡人数最终可能会大得多…

  …population dynamics of China took decades to get into a good shape, you simply can't hide the size of the cohort going to school and university when the due dates roll around. Some estimates (Jung Chang, "wild swans") were over the top. The government definitely minimised them. I will be very interested in the US, and Russian effective back-calculations because I think surplus deaths will turn out to be far larger…

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