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正义的受害者

Righteous victims

Benny Morris · 初版 1999 年

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“Righteous Victims 是一部全面而客观的断代史,记述了阿拉伯人与犹太人之间为争夺他们共同称之为家园的土地而展开的漫长斗争。”——图书护封。“Morris 教授认为,这场冲突的根源在于犹太复国主义移民与巴勒斯坦本土阿拉伯居民之间深层的宗教、民族和政治分歧。”——图书护封。“他梳理了双方阵营中政客、将领和外交官的成败得失,以严谨且富有同理心的视角审视他们的作为与困境,依托档案文献、回忆录及二手资料,生动再现了

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  • Benny Morris 的书《Righteous Victims》似乎是关于这场冲突比较可靠的信息来源。他是以色列的历史学教授,绝非什么极端的反犹主义者。值得注意的是,他描述了导致骚乱的导火索……

    Benny Morris's book Righteous Victims seems to be a reliable source of information about the conflict. He's a an Israeli history professor, not exactly a virulent antisemite. It's worth noting that he describes the trigger for unrest leading…

  • ……是真的:我们有文件证据表明埃及曾有先发制人入侵的计划。再说一遍:把你获取这些信息的书拿出来引证一下。除了维基百科和 AskHistorians,我还引用了 Benny Morris 的《Righteous Victims》,他对以色列在六日战争及其(最关键的)善后中的共谋行为毫不留情。我很好奇你自信满满给出的那些细节到底能从哪里搞来……

    …true: we have documentary evidence that Egypt had a plan to preemptively invade. Again: cite a book where you're getting this stuff from. In addition to WP and AskHistorians, I'm citing Benny Morris (Righteous Victims), who is unsparing of Israel's complicity in the Six Day War and, most importantly, in its aftermath. I'm interested in where you could possibly have been getting the details you're confidently providing…

  • ……制定了这个计划,然后付诸实施。相比之下,现在很清楚的是,埃及在1967年6月并没有入侵以色列的计划,而且当时也根本不具备这样的能力。和你一样,我也读过 Benny Morris 的《Righteous Victims》(里面关于1967年战争前奏的部分其实相对较短)。我在这里一直强调的两点是:1. 传统叙事中认为以色列在1967年打的是一场防御性战争,这种说法极其……

    …this plan and then carried it out. In contrast, it's fairly clear now that Egypt did not plan to invade Israel in June 1967, and was not in any position to do so. Like you, I've also read Benny Morris' Righteous Victims (which only has a relatively short section on the lead-up to the 1967 war). The two points I've been making here are: 1. The traditional narrative that Israel fought a defensive war in 1967 is highly…

  • ……https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Causes_of_the_1948_Palestini... 这个页面大部分内容支持 bjourne,但有意思的是,里面也满是支持我所学到的观点的引述:> 此外,在他关于阿以冲突的全面著作《Righteous Victims》中,Morris 写道:>> 在某些地区,阿拉伯指挥官下令村民撤离,以便腾出场地用于军事目的或防止投降。有大半打以上的村庄……被遗弃了……

    …https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Causes_of_the_1948_Palestini... This page mostly supports bjourne but interestingly is also full of quotes that support what I learned: > Furthermore, in his comprehensive book on the Arab–Israeli conflict, Righteous Victims, Morris wrote: >> In some areas Arab commanders ordered the villagers to evacuate to clear the ground for military purposes or to prevent surrender. More than half a dozen villages ... were abandoned…

  • 《Righteous Victims》整整用了两章来写六日战争的前奏,这可以说是全书的核心内容了。你绝不可能是在引用《Righteous Victims》,因为它跟你讲的几乎所有东西都完全冲突……

    Righteous Victims has 2 whole chapters on the leadup to the Six Days War, which is like the centerpiece of the book. You can't be citing Righteous Victims, because it strenuously disagrees with virtually everything you've…

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