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Ill Fares The Land

Tony Judt · 初版 2010 年

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在 Ill Fares The Land 一书中,杰出的历史学家兼思想家 Tony Judt 揭示了我们是如何走到当下这个危险而困惑的时刻,并为我们提供了解决共同需求所需的话语体系,摒弃了极右翼的虚无主义个人主义以及过去已被证伪的社会主义。为了找到前行的出路,Judt 认为我们必须审视并不遥远的过去以及付诸实践的社会民主:重新确立公平高于单纯效率的地位。

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  • ……单一的国家通常在文化上也高度同质,这有利于形成高水平的社会信任。看看瑞典、挪威和瑞士等国家就知道了。Tony Judt 在《沉疴遍地》(Ill Fares the Land)[3]中讨论了社会信任的观点(这本书是我在这里被安利的)。当然,直接说美国或英国等多文化国家应该搞大规模驱逐出境和种族……是毫无建设性的。

    …homogeneous are also typically culturally homogeneous and this is conducive for high levels of social trust. See nations like Sweden, Norway and Switzerland. The ideas of social trust are discussed in Ill Fares the Land by Tony Judt[3] (a book recommendation I picked up on here). Of course, it is not immediately constructive to say multicultural countries like the USA or UK should instigate mass deportation and ethnic…

  • ……但所有这些问题都被教育系统造成的不平等严重恶化了。如果你感兴趣,《心平气和》(The Spirit Level,http://www.amazon.com/The-Spirit-Level-Equality-Societies/dp...)和《沉疴遍地》(Ill Fares the Land,http://www.amazon.com/Ill-Fares-Land-Tony-Judt/dp/0143118765...)里都有关于这个问题的精彩讨论。

    …but all of those are seriously worsened by inequality resulting from our education system. If you're interested, The Spirit Level (http://www.amazon.com/The-Spirit-Level-Equality-Societies/dp...) and Ill Fares the Land (http://www.amazon.com/Ill-Fares-Land-Tony-Judt/dp/0143118765...) both contain great discussions of this.

  • 去找一本 Tony Judt 的《沉疴遍地》(Ill fares the land)看看吧。书中引用了不平等与诸多“问题”指标之间的相关性,并试图论证其中的因果联系。还解释了哲学背景。

    Get hold of a copy of Tony Judt's Ill fares the land. It has references to the correlation between inequality and many measures of 'problems' and tries to make the case for a causal link. Also explains philosophical background.

  • ……在某个地方能看到,不过我知道这位演讲者写过这方面的文章,所以他的文字可能更容易读到。顺便分享个小提示/做个无耻的安利:最近对我影响很大的一本书是 Tony Judt 的《沉疴遍地》[1]。读这本书的人越多越好。[0] http://conferences.oreilly.com/strata/hadoop-big-data-eu/pub... [1]https://www.amazon.com/gp/aw/d/0143118765/ref=mp_s_a_1_1?ie=...

    …be accessible somewhere, though I know the speaker writes on the subject so his writing may be more readily accessible. As a free tip/shameless preach a book which has impacted me greatly recently is Ill Fares the Land by Tony Judt[1]. The more people that read this book, the better. [0] http://conferences.oreilly.com/strata/hadoop-big-data-eu/pub... [1]https://www.amazon.com/gp/aw/d/0143118765/ref=mp_s_a_1_1?ie=...

  • 我完全理解你在“如果你是白人”这个角度上的观点,但我想借此引申出 Tony Judt 在《沉疴遍地》里写过的一些内容:战后时期足够繁荣,以至于在许多情况下,政治运动不再致力于推翻并取代体制,而是转向争取融入既有的繁荣之中。……

    I do certainly take your point on the "if you were white" front, but I want to use that to lead into something Tony Judt wrote in "Ill Fares the Land": the post-war period was prosperous enough that political movements, in many instances, shifted from striving to overthrow and replace the system towards striving to be included in the existing prosperity.…

  • ……更有可能染上赌瘾[1] 英国无家可归者中估计有 84% 是男性[2] 酗酒和赌博是 Tony Judt 在《沉疴遍地》[3]中喜欢引用的几个典型不平等指标。顶层的性别差距已有充分记录(例如高管 C-level 的性别多样性),但这只是极少数中极少数(1% 中的 1%)。我并不是否认缺乏多样性令人担忧,但这些底层男性才是……

    …more likely to succumb to gambling problems[1] An estimated 84% of homeless are male in the UK[2] Alcoholism and gambling are some choice indicators of inequality that Tony Judt liked to reference in Ill Fares the Land[3]. The gender disparity is well documented at the top (e.g. Gender diversity for C-level) but this is the 1% of the 1%. I'm not denying that the lack of diversity is alarming but these men are the men…

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