唐纳德·诺曼（就是写《设计心理学》那位大牛）在他的新书《与复杂共处》（Living With Complexity）里聊过应对这种情况的各种策略。这个问题挺有意思的，因为事实证明，有足够多的人会采取那种反社会的策略——专挑比较大卷的纸用（伯纳斯-李在他的协议里称之为 K），导致两卷纸经常都会用……
Donald Norman (of The Design of Everyday Things fame) talks about the various strategies for this in his newest book, Living With Complexity. It's an interesting problem because it turns out enough people follow the antisocial strategy of taking from the larger roll (what Berners-Lee calls K in his protocol) that both rolls will often run…
Minimalism isn't timeless, minimalism itself is a trend in design. It's definitely a trend with merit, but it isn't some absolute truth to always strive towards. I would recommend reading "Living with Complexity" by Don Noarman for some interesting arguments about why complexity in design isn't inherently bad.
…of what simplicity means in programming. If you have any interest in the topic, I recommend Rich Hickey talk "Simplicity matters" https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rI8tNMsozo0 My personal favorite is: Living with complexity 2010 by Don Norman (Author of Design of everyday things) https://www.amazon.ca/Living-Complexity-Donald-Norman/dp/026...
Have you read the later book Living with Complexity? It is pretty much this topic; how to reconcile complexity and confusion. He talks a lot about reaching designs of irreducible complexity as a way to mitigate confusion. For what it’s worth, I’d say…
……“泰斯勒复杂度守恒定律（Tesler's law of the conservation of complexity）。”泰斯勒把它描述为一种权衡取舍：让用户用起来更简单，就意味着让设计师或工程师做起来更困难。—— 唐纳德·A·诺曼，《与复杂共处》
…"Tesler's law of the conservation of complexity." Tesler described it as a tradeoff: making things easier for the user means making it more difficult for the designer or engineer.” ― Donald A. Norman, Living with Complexity
This reminds me of what Don Norman quotes in "living with complexity" around how people buy the microwaves with all the buttons even though it's harder to use.
唐纳德·诺曼（就是写《设计心理学》那位大牛）在他的新书《与复杂共处》（Living With Complexity）里聊过应对这种情况的各种策略。这个问题挺有意思的，因为事实证明，有足够多的人会采取那种反社会的策略——专挑比较大卷的纸用（伯纳斯-李在他的协议里称之为 K），导致两卷纸经常都会用……
Donald Norman (of The Design of Everyday Things fame) talks about the various strategies for this in his newest book, Living With Complexity. It's an interesting problem because it turns out enough people follow the antisocial strategy of taking from the larger roll (what Berners-Lee calls K in his protocol) that both rolls will often run…
极简主义并不是永恒的经典，极简本身就是设计领域的一股潮流。这绝对是一股很有价值的潮流，但它绝不是什么必须永远为之奋斗的绝对真理。我推荐读读唐·诺曼的《与复杂共处》，里面有一些很有意思的论据，解释了为什么设计中的复杂性本身并不是坏事。
Minimalism isn't timeless, minimalism itself is a trend in design. It's definitely a trend with merit, but it isn't some absolute truth to always strive towards. I would recommend reading "Living with Complexity" by Don Noarman for some interesting arguments about why complexity in design isn't inherently bad.
……编程中“简单”到底意味着什么。如果你对这个话题感兴趣，我推荐 Rich Hickey 的演讲《Simplicity matters》https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rI8tNMsozo0 我个人最喜欢的是：唐·诺曼（《设计心理学》作者）2010 年写的《与复杂共处》https://www.amazon.ca/Living-Complexity-Donald-Norman/dp/026...
…of what simplicity means in programming. If you have any interest in the topic, I recommend Rich Hickey talk "Simplicity matters" https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rI8tNMsozo0 My personal favorite is: Living with complexity 2010 by Don Norman (Author of Design of everyday things) https://www.amazon.ca/Living-Complexity-Donald-Norman/dp/026...
你读过他后来写的《与复杂共处》吗？基本上讲的就是这个话题：如何调和复杂与混乱。他花了很多篇幅探讨如何通过达到“不可简化的复杂性”设计，来减少混乱。要我说的话，我觉得……
Have you read the later book Living with Complexity? It is pretty much this topic; how to reconcile complexity and confusion. He talks a lot about reaching designs of irreducible complexity as a way to mitigate confusion. For what it’s worth, I’d say…
……“泰斯勒复杂度守恒定律（Tesler's law of the conservation of complexity）。”泰斯勒把它描述为一种权衡取舍：让用户用起来更简单，就意味着让设计师或工程师做起来更困难。—— 唐纳德·A·诺曼，《与复杂共处》
…"Tesler's law of the conservation of complexity." Tesler described it as a tradeoff: making things easier for the user means making it more difficult for the designer or engineer.” ― Donald A. Norman, Living with Complexity
这让我想起唐·诺曼在《与复杂共处》里引用的内容：人们往往会买那种带有一大堆按钮的微波炉，哪怕那种微波炉其实更难用。
This reminds me of what Don Norman quotes in "living with complexity" around how people buy the microwaves with all the buttons even though it's harder to use.