论童话故事

ON FAIRY-STORIES

J.R.R. Tolkien

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  • ……归结到他的宗教信仰上。但举个例子,你也可以用同样的方式归结他在一战中的参战经历。我非常怀疑这其中是否有任何刻意的指涉或映射。我建议读读他的论文《论仙灵故事》(On Fairy-stories),以便了解他如何看待奇幻文学的作用。有趣的是,他确实在元层面上将其与自己的信仰联系在了一起:他将奇幻创作视为更宏大创世之中的“二次创造”(sub-creation);而他自己则是一位“二次创造者”(sub-creator)。……

    …back to his religion. But you could say the same thing about his experience fighting in WWI, for example. I highly doubt there were any intentional references or parallels. I recommend reading his essay On Fairy-stories to get a window into the role he sees fantasy as having. Interestingly he does tie it in with his faith at a meta-level: he sees it as a sub-creation within the larger creation; himself a sub-creator.…

  • ……那些对艺术抱有毫无保留、毫不犹豫的热情的人。> 也许 JRR 托尔金只是想写一个好故事!也许这是光明会的秘密代码。事实证明绝非如此:读读托尔金的《论仙灵故事》[1],篇幅很短,但极为震撼,他在里面充分阐述了自己的艺术理念。托尔金还是古英语(盎格鲁-撒克逊语)领域空前绝后的权威学者——可以说是同样重要……

    …people with an unabashed, unhesitating passion for art. > Maybe JRR Tolkien just wanted to write a great story! Maybe it's a secret code of the Illuminati. The evidence says strongly otherwise: read On Fairy-stories by Tolkien [1], which is pretty short, absolutely stunning, and where he lays out much of his approach to art. Tolkien was also an all-time leading scholar of Old English (Anglo-Saxon) - arguably as important…

  • ……跟我读过的托尔金本人的说法对不上号。托尔金非常清楚自己在做什么,他是神话领域的顶尖学者,对此进行过极深层次的思考。如果你想弄明白,去读读他的论文《论仙灵故事》。> 没有哪个优秀的后现代主义者会反对现代读者在文学作品中发现作者并未刻意思考过的含义。这具体是什么意思?你指的是谁?什么……

    …doesn't match what I've read Tolkien saying. Tolkien knew exactly what he was doing, was a leading scholar in the field of myth, and thought very deeply about it. If you want to understand, read his essay On Fairy-stories. > no good postmodernist would object to modern readers finding meanings in literature that weren't consciously in the author's mind. What does that means specifically? Who are you referring to? What…

  • JRR 托尔金对兰格的作品非常熟悉,托尔金的论文《论仙灵故事》最初就是以早期版本作为1939年圣安德鲁斯大学的(年度?)安德鲁·兰格讲座(Andrew Lang Lecture)发表的。这篇论文不仅本身就是一部杰作,而且包含了不少……

    JRR Tolkien knew Lang's work very well and Tolkien's essay On Fairy-stories was originally presented, in an earlier version, as the (annual?) Andrew Lang Lecture at the University of Saint Andrews in 1939. The essay is not only an incredible work itself, but has quite a bit…

  • ……包括‘童话故事’;同时他也是一名虔诚的天主教徒。他怎么能去写(乃至研究)这种非圣洁的东西呢?他曾多次与这个问题交锋,但如果你对此感兴趣,我强烈推荐《论仙灵故事》,这是一篇基于讲座写成的论文。它探讨的内容远比这个问题广泛得多,但无论如何都非常值得一读。我在下面附上剧透。……

    …including 'fairy tales'; and he was a devout Catholic. How could he write (and study) such ungodly material? He wrestles with the question multiple times, but if you are interested, I strongly recommend On Fairy-stories, an essay based on a lecture. It covers far more ground than this question, but it's worth reading anyway. I'll append a spoiler below. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .…

  • 读完托尔金的《论仙灵故事》之后,我建议听听“托尔金教授”(Tolkien Professor)的这门公开课:http://tolkienprofessor.com/wp/lectures/courses/the-undergra...

    After reading "On Fairy-Stories" by Tolkien I recommend listening to this class by the Tolkien Professor: http://tolkienprofessor.com/wp/lectures/courses/the-undergra...

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