《建城以来史》封面

建城以来史

Ab urbe condita

Titus Livius · 初版 1481 年

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“Romulus与Remus、Lucretia之辱、桥头勇士Horatius、Coriolanus传奇、Cincinnatus受命于田垄解救国家——Livy在其罗马史中使其流传千古的这些及更多故事,早已成为我们文化遗产的一部分。”“这位历史学家的鸿篇巨著共计142卷,记述了从公元前753年罗马建城到Livy本人在世期间(公元前9年)的罗马历史。其中仅有35卷完整留存至今。前五卷涵盖了从罗马起源及其首次重大对外征服(攻陷Etruscan城市Veii),直至其……”

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  • 很高兴看到李维(Livius)受到关注,而且居然还是在 hackernews 上。用现代标准来看,《建城以来史》(Ab Urbe Condita)其实更像是一部史诗传奇,而不是正儿八经的历史书,尽管正如 Deveraux 指出的那样,后面部分从大体上看可能多少还是准确的(比如第二次布匿……

    It's great seeing Livius getting some attention, and on hackernews of all places. Ab Urbe Condita is really much more of an epic tale than a proper history book by modern standards, even though, as Deveraux notes, the later bits are probably more or less accurate in the big picture (e.g. the 2nd punic…

  • ……miraculo datum。 > 有些作家认为,阿卡·拉伦蒂亚(Larentia)因为生活不检点,在牧羊人中间得到了“母狼”(She-wolf)的外号,这就是那个奇幻故事的源头。(蒂托·李维,《建城以来史》,I.4)可能大家就只是一直用母狼的传说来象征罗马的强盛罢了。

    …miraculo datum. > Some writers think that Larentia, from her unchaste life, had got the nickname of "She-wolf" amongst the shepherds, and that this was the origin of the marvellous story. (Titus Livius, Ab Urbe Condita, I.4) Probably, people just kept using the legend of the she-wolf to symbolize the might of Rome.

  • ……他们的同侪。这个说法在英语世界文化中广泛使用。[..] [..]这一概念源自希罗多德的《历史》(第5卷,92f)、亚里士多德的《政治学》(1284a)以及李维的《自建城以来》(Ab Urbe Condita Libri)第一卷。[佩里安德]曾派信使去见斯拉西布卢斯,询问怎样才能最好、最稳妥地治理自己的城邦。斯拉西布卢斯带着佩里安德派来的人走到城外,……

    …their peers. The term has been used in cultures of the English-speaking world.[..] [..]The concept originates from accounts in Herodotus' Histories (Book 5, 92f), Aristotle's Politics (1284a), and Livy's Ab Urbe Condita Libri, Book I. [Periander] had sent a herald to Thrasybulus and inquired in what way he would best and most safely govern his city. Thrasybulus led the man who had come from Periander outside the town,…

  • ……凡事都有两种解释,一种是流传较广的神话,另一种是更合情合理的解释。考虑到罗马的历史学家普遍不太在乎事实,而且李维写《建城以来史》(Ab Urbe Condita)还是受屋大维委托(也就是说,他多多少少有义务把罗马历史粉饰得光彩照人),他其实已经算是个相当不错的历史学家了。但这并不代表我喜欢李维——读他的拉丁文……

    …two explanations for things, one the more popular myth and one a more plausible explanation. Taking into account that Roman historians generally didn't care that much for facts, and that Livy wrote his Ab Urbe Condita because it was commissioned by Octavian (i.e. he was kinda obliged to make the history of Rome look good), he was actually a pretty decent historian. Doesn't mean I love Livy, though - reading his Latin…

  • 我又不是在讨论原始人的洞穴壁画。当年李维写《建城以来史》(Ab Urbe Condita)、乔叟写《坎特伯雷故事集》(Centerbury Tales)的时候,他们原本是打算把版权卖给谁?职业写作/以此为生直到19世纪中叶才成为常态,当时随着识字率的上升……

    I'm not talking about cave paintings. When Livy wrote Ab Urbe Condita, when Chaucer wrote Centerbury Tales, who were they planning to sell the rights too? Professional/career writing didn't become the default until the middle of the 19th century, when a rise in literacy…

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